Look, MS will purposely leak stuff to get reaction and adjust their plan accordingly. No need to panic, just pay attention, and make your choice as a consumer. DD
More details on Xbox One's connectivity, game licensing, giving games to friends and privacy. Straight from Microsoft themselves: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main Notable points:
Kudos to MS for finally clarifying their position (somewhat). And I guess softening their stance on things...although I'm still not a fan of this. If they show gamers some advantages of this system (e.g., cheaper prices), then maybe I'll reconsider. Let's see what Sony is up to...
MS is digging its own grave. The 24 hour check is just stupid. I predict MS will get rid of it due to pressure. There are so many instances where you can't connect to internet for a long period of time. Internet could be down, or router could be broken etc. Also people in dorm rooms at college who can't get their consoles connected to the university internet. If it's not online I can't play any single player games. Awful. Also the fact that used games can only be sold once. That drives down the value of the game severely. The only way this is acceptable to me is if all games retail for $40 but that won't happen.
it saying alot of this stuff is developer choice, i wonder if sony has something similar in mind. i doesnt make sense for developers to only do this on one console
Sony should certainly go in the opposite direction. The walled garden approach always ends up driving the consumers away.
•Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time. Couldn't this be a way for ppl to share games with friends? How will they know they aren't your family members. So only 1 person needs to buy the game for 10 ppl? I can see many loopholes in this system.
They are trying to change the way we buy/play games... Years and years of tradition... Everything else has pretty much gone digital and online, movies, music, books...... Every form of media has gone digital but one of the few that remains are console games.... PC digital downloads have been around for a while but PC teds to turn people off due to the Graphics Cards, Specs, Installation... To some installing software is like nothing but trust me, to some its a hassle they don't want to go through.... With that said its not just installation of a game but installation of a game pad and setting up the game pad to work with the game. Again, easy to some of us but hard to others. XBOX ONE is the only system that is actually trying to take gaming into a new era. Its not an easy task, they are trying to reconstruct the way games will be purchased, played, exchanged, sold etc... Perhaps PS4 sounds more familiar to us, its what we have always known.... Buy a game, insert the game and play it..... If they make ONE work, and it actually does make game buying easier and cheaper then I don't see why its a bad console to own. Considering that they are most likely going to push buying online games, I rather pay 59.99 without having to spend gas money, drive all the way to gamestop and dealing with some annoying employees than to just simply go home after work. Download and play while snacking on something good ..... BUT!! I do believe game downloads will be cheaper than the cd games we are used to. Its obvious why. Anyways, XBOX is on to something... This could work, and if it does...... XBOX ONE will be revolutionary...
Also^^^ Its not an easy task changing something that has been done a certain way for such a long period of time. Yes there are going to be a lot of things that wont work but a lot of things will and I expect them to get better with time and experience at this new style of gaming consoles...... Patience is the key, we are in a transitioning era for gaming and all cant be perfect from the start... Sorry folks but change is going to happen sooner or later...
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Is that really what they said, though? They said a game can only be "given" to a friend once. I wonder if that would instead mean that while a game can only be "given" once, it can be traded in to a "participating retailer" any number of times... that that "only once" lock doesn't apply to pre-approved retailers. I'm guessing that the policy of only allowing a game to be given once, is to prevent me from letting you borrow my game for two months and then just getting it back when you're done. That way it's far more inconvenient, at least, for folks to pool their game collections. They're essentially only allowing one "freeloader" (in their view) before someone has to pay money to them again to get any use out of it. I dunno, though. I could be totally off. But the idea that a game can only be sold once EVER, even to an approved retailer, seems a little too crazy to me to be the reality.
My guess is that you are correct. Doesnt make sense otherwise. On a side note, Im interested to find out more about how xbox is trying to change things up. I think people are uncomfortable with it because we are creatures of habit. It's different, very different, but I think in 3 years, we'll look back and see how Microsoft changed gaming, for the better. I think PS4 will follow in its footsteps with a lot of this.
Yeah, but none of those things costs $60 a pop. And you can still rent movies without paying the full retail cost of owning it. I can go to the library and borrow books. I can also subscribe to services like Spotify and be able to listen to all the music I want without owning any of it. Will we be able to rent XBox One games? Also, all of the things you've mentioned still have physical counterparts. And you can download video games right now, that's not new. XBox and PS3 already do that. Hell, part of Sony's PS4 presentation was that you can download a game and start playing it immediately while the rest of it downloads in the background.What's new is making the customer convert the physical product into a digital version and then basically preventing resale of the physical product. You can re-sell books, CDs, DVDs, but they're trying to make it harder to do it with video games. I own very few DVDs because once I've seen something, I usually don't feel to urge to watch it again. At least not to the point that I'd want to pay money to own a copy. I usually just watch something once and that's it. I rarely even watch reruns of TV show. It's the same with gaming. For the vast majority of games, once I've beaten it, I'm done with it and probably won't ever play it again. I buy maybe one or two games a year and rent the rest. I'm not going to buy all those games I only play once. If this prevents me from renting games, then there's little incentive for me to buy your console. Sorry.
PC digital downloads cost a lot less than the physical counterpart.... How can we determine Xbox One digital downloads are going to cost $60? I doubt they will, I think this is where they are going to uppercut PS4. I think they are going to push the cloud and digital downloads soo much that they will lower prices to the point where its no brainer.... Would you consider buying more games if the costs of digital downloads where tempting and there were enough tittles that interest you? Lets remember a selling point is ease of access. Having the games you want to play at your fingertips without a drive, wait in line, scratched discs, organization of discs ect... Wouldn't this probably make you reach into your wallet because its that easy to buy games now....? What if they throw rentals at you as well? Online rentals? Its not impossible..... Sure xbox 360 and ps3 already have digital downloads but its nowhere near as efficient as what XBOX ONE intends to do... There were mp3 players before IPODS.... A lot of people didn't buy them because it was not exactly the easiest way to listen to music... Where to download? What format? How to import into the player and so on.... Then the IPOD and ITUNES came and changed everything.... I'm just saying, from a different perspective that XBOX is trying to do something that may turn out awesome or may fail.... BUT! I doubt they don't know what they are doing... A lot of people are jumping at XBOX way too early but in two years it may be the most popular console out there... We may hate it or love it.... But things keep moving forward and changing at a fast pace. This looks to me like a transition period for gaming into digital. If the cost of gaming decreases due to it then we have ourselves a winning console... Cheaper games means more people buying games, more games being bought means more profit for the game companies, more profit means more games, more games means more content people want and so on....
Green man gaming, Steam, Origin, Amazon, Windows Games or w/e M$ online gaming delivery service is, good old games, and etc. There are like 5+ PC game distributors COMPETING for your wallet which drove down the price of PC games(though Steam far leads the pack). On XBox One you have the XBox store and that's it. That's why you RARELY see deals for apps on the Iphone or Android, and some stuff have not dropped in price THREE years after the original release. Now if they truly make it PC, allow other "STORES" to start selling stuff on XBox One (kind of like how you can get the Amazon based apps on android phones, though most people don't install it and i believe you have to manually change stuff in the settings to allow it to happen), then we might see lower price for the consumer, as of right now, I don't see it.
Salvy, let me first say that your points are well thought out and you present them in a very non-aggressive way that is very disarming to someone that may be very upset with what Microsoft is doing. For that, I say thank and I do value your opinion. With that said, reading your points angers me to no end, because I have younger siblings that DO NOT connect their consoles to the internet. They have their games that they play and know nothing about Xbox Live. Past that, there are people in more rural areas that do not have great access to the internet through no fault of their own and don't use it for gaming. Past even that point, there are military servicemen and women that play video games without connection to the internet at all overseas. What are people like them supposed to do? Either get with the times even though it's not fault of their own or just stop playing games?? Is that the revolution that you are suggesting? I hope not, because wow that's mighty arrogant or short-sighted of Microsoft if it is. You want to tell me that they dgaf about the people I mentioned, well that sounds like Microsoft. The used games and the restrictions on trading games with MY MFING friends..... well I'm extremely upset about this part and will post my thoughts in the morning. I apologize if I come across as upset at you, because understand I do not mean any disrespect. I'm just very, very, very upset with this sugarcoating that people are trying to do and then talk down to people like "this is the way things are going. You guys better get with the times". Just because many people play PC games and like that system, DOES NOT mean that everyone or even the majority of gamers play those games. Nor does it mean that gamers like the PC's way of handling games. Just because you do, does not mean those that do not are wrong. (Not YOU in particular, just anyone with this sentiment) This also DOES NOT mean that the PC's way of gaming is a good fit for everyone. You have to step outside of your box and realize not everyone has it like you do. Again, I apologize if I came off as angry towards you. Not my intent.
I think they do have something similar in mind (like you said, publishers would want something similar on both most likely). I don't think it would be exactly the same. Sony has already stated that PS4 has no online check (you can play games without ever being connected to the Internet). But they could still implement something similar using other methods. If nothing else, "online passes" are still a go. There has been a strong campaign to get Sony (and MS, but it is too late for MS) to drop/soften their stance on this, but we'll see. wizkid83 already gave one great reason (maybe the biggest). You also have prior history (with DD on PSN and XBL). And the fact that MS will STILL allow retailers to sell their games (the same ones selling the system). Retailers won't bother to carry a game for $60 if MS/Sony are selling the game for $30 (and retailers won't want to push/sell $30 games unless they're getting a nice profit margin...as they've always had). I'd be VERY surprised if games cost less than $60 at this point. Given the negative buzz this has amassed, it would be the obvious thing to tell gamers in order to offset that all ("We're taking away some of your rights, but in exchange for cheaper prices!". But MS hasn't said a word. Implies no changes on prices IMO. If they ditched retail completely, that would allow for some of these changes (and it would actually be a bold new step into the future IMO). But as it is, just sounds like "We're taking away stuff without giving you anything in return. Enjoy!" Explain. There's not really much of a difference IMO. I like this post from a mod at NeoGAF: Press hitting MS hard on this (and rightfully so): http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1955108/xbox_one_its_for_publishers_not_for_you.html http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrog...-approach-might-have-already-killed-xbox-one/ http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/indie-retailers-desperate-for-xbox-one-pre-owned-answers/0116813 http://techland.time.com/2013/06/07/microsofts-xbox-one-used-games-policies-are-clear-as-mud/
Ehhhhh... maybe. Honestly, the used game stuff really doesn't bother me. The things that bother me are: 1. I find it quite annoying being required to install all games on a console that uses proprietary hard drives / storage. It would already be annoying if I had to do installs at all, but if I could at least go buy myself a big hard drive for cheap, then oh well. But by the sounds they are shipping it with a 500GB hard drive, which is ludicrous for a system that requires every game to be installed. Between downloaded games and physical installed games, I guarantee I would not be able to fit my whole collection of games on the system at once. 2. What happens in 15 years or so when this next gen is "over"? Are they going to shut off the authentication servers so I can't play my offline games anymore?
