[NEW VID RELEASED] Firefighters talk of explosives on @ 9/11

God DAMN IT, Toy Cen, stop dragging the victims of 9/11 through the mud in your deluded quest to stay relevant here at the clutchfans message boards

This is the main reason why I will personally advocate to have your threads locked. when you re-post this GARBAGE about the 9/11 victims.

(thanks abovetopsecret.com)

I thought the last ignorant thread you posted from there got you knocked down a few notches and you stopped making threads. then sure enough, the forum started feeding you the troll bait and now you are back for more...

 

yet he keeps regurgitating the same drivel, posting the same desperate attention whoring threads, making duplicates and wrong forum threads, and continuing to make personal pleas to the message board to help him with his mortgage, cable bill, and homeowners insurance.

don't forget to pray for him and his family when they travel

 

I don't think you've seen his other, more Joad-like, threads then.

I have to say I think this is literally a mental disorder and I don't know best how to approach it. Maybe any attention at all is helping support the obsession.

 

This may have already been posted: http://www.debunking911.com/index.html

Could transformers or other electrical equipment explain some of what the firemen saw and heard? What about an acre of concrete floor slamming into another? Would steel bolts snapping under tremendous tension make a pop or explosive sound? Assuming the towers weren't in the vacuum of space, we can be fairly safe to say the things I mentioned are good candidates to explain what the firemen heard. Even they think so...

Assistant Fire Commissioner: "I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they . . . blow up a building. . . ?”

But if you read on...

"I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever."

This is a quote taken out of context. Now the WHOLE QUOTE without the taking it out of context...

I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-leve] flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q.: Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?

A: No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.

I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Gregory_Stephen.txt

 

Yeah the flange we were heating was about 6" thick. Whenever we had something that thick we would use weight while heating to help it move. We would use a carlton drill wich weighs a few tons I believe. Also this is done before any other structural support parts are added such as crossframes. This isnt done hundreds of feet in the air or anything.

Like I said I dont believe in any explosions or nothing like that. The sound I heard is more analogous with a twig snapping as opposed to something under pressure and exploding. But I dunno.

 

My point here isn't to figure out exactly why they never released any footage. I concede that it was unnecessary and maybe even a little bit suspicious. However, to say that security footage was intentionally buried to cover up some worldwide conspiracy is just plain bizarre.

I can come up with a host of reasons why they might have wanted to confiscate all video evidence:
- Standard operating procedure when a governent facility is breached
- The FBI classifed the tapes in the course of the investigation
- Fear that the attack may be studied or duplicated
- A recently promoted FBI agent was on a power trip and decided on a whim to take all the security footage
- Tapes showed a congressman taking a leak onto the outer wall of the Pentagon

All of these conclusions (or conjectures) are significantly more feasible than anything I have ever seen from a conspiracy theorist.

Even if they had released all the security footage showing impact, people would still concoct cockamamie conspiracy theories. It's in the nature of every conspiracy theorist to look at evidence and draw some off-the-wall conclusion to support whatever preconceived notion they already have.

I can guarantee that if footage had been released, there'd similarly be a legion of internet warriors utilizing their "expertise" to show frame-by-frame "evidence" of missiles/thermite charges/alien spacecraft striking the Pentagon.

 

Paranoid Personality Disorder?

 

Toycen, I doubt anyone is going to be replying to you much longer, but just FYI, you should probably actually put links and documents to your statements so people (should they be inclined) can actually have something concrete to read instead of it seeming like just more ranting.

i.e., why should it take minutes for the building to collapse? where is the flight data? why was the pentagon plane 'too high'? Where did you get the 140ft metric from? Where did you get the '30 ft to the left' data from?


and so on.

 

Self-righteous outrage is such a fulfilling emotion.

 

Keep digging ToyCen



But

 

Maybe they didn't release these "findings" because they never "found" these things at all? I'm not going to accuse anyone of making figures up, but did these findings come from anywhere other than some random conspiracy theory website?

All the "data" I've seen that supposedly corroborates conspiracy theories have been nothing more than armchair analysis on various stills/screenshots. There's only so much you can extrapolate from a photograph before your math starts going horribly wrong.

Just out of curiosity, do believe the moon landings were a hoax too? What about the existence of aliens at Area-51?

 

If it takes toycen 20 minutes to cut a board into two pieces, how long does it take him to cut it into 3?

(and who else was involved?).

 

the board doesnt exist. It's a govt conspiracy