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[NEW VID RELEASED] Firefighters talk of explosives on @ 9/11

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by ToyCen428, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. ToyCen428

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    Understandable. Talking about innocent people that died when they didn't have to, especially if you personally lost someone close can really be sour grapes.

    However, I see it as these guys (yes, conspiracy dudes) doing it out of respect FOR them. If you lost your 28 year old daughter, mother of 2 little boys in the towers and had a bus load of GOOD and concerning questions about what happened that day, mayb you would see why people do this.

    Look at it this way, the 9/11 Commission has said that the information in the Official Story is not correct, and some of it was lies.

    Also, there have been God knows how many pictures from CNN's 9/11 Memorial of victims, that were EDITED (proven) months before 9/11 and even people's obituaries written days and months before 9/11. When confronted by this, CNN removes their pictures.

    Check the CNN memorial page now. Look at all the missing pictures. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/lists/by-name/index.html

    Alot of these people, there's no information on at all.
     
  2. Baseballa

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    Yeah.

    He comes stating "facts." When we all disprove his "facts" with legitimate scientific evidence, he counters with "well if it were a demolition attack, then that's what it would look like!"

    I know nothing about demolition. I'm sure he knows nothing more about demolition than omgz911wasahoaxLOL.com or whatever site he reads tells him.

    We get frustrated and just stop responding, and he views this as a win and will become even more convinced of this absurd notion.

    It's a genius plan, really.
     
  3. ToyCen428

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    Controlled Demolition Incorporated... the company hired to do cleanup at WTC after the attacks. I can prove that in the same context as placing explosives in buildings, an employee from CDI himself, on video, admits he was in the WTC and compared the size of the steel beams in the WTC to that of the steel he was placing explosives on. Does this prove explosives were in the WTC? No, but this does prove that someone who DOES this for a living, was inside the WTC looking at the steel beams. Let me know if you want to see this.

    "BTW- Was Pearl Harbor faked too to pull us into WWII?" --- Nothing I've heard/seen would convince me that it was faked.

    "It's really not even worth arguing about. You're going to continue to ignore reality no matter what is said."-- Right back at you buddy.
     
  4. ToyCen428

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    As a win? I'm not here to "Win" anything. I'm not here to win a popularity contest or to simply "fit in" with everyone else. I'm not here for "rep" points or to try and convince anyone. I'm here to show things some people haven't seen before. To give you a background of me, up until 2004 I was all for the OS and was all for the war. I figured, if they did this to us then we can't just sit back and let them get away with it.

    So, I'm here to try and show you guys that can somewhat try and see this information regarding the 9/11 attacks with an unbiased eye.

    Atleast 7 of the 19 hijackers on 9.11 are ALIVE and well.
    http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm
     
  5. DonkeyMagic

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    you can't argue with crazy.
     
  6. ToyCen428

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    A few things some people might find interesting:

    Atleast 7 of the 19 hijackers on 9.11 are ALIVE and well.
    http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm

    Remember the passport found unscathed on the grounds that went through fire and brimstone near the WTC of the hijacker? Well, the guy in the passport is still alive. The governments reaction? "Oh!.... It must have been stolen and used by the real hijacker!"

    I found this next piece interesting. Found it out a few months ago, and I find the story so compelling that it's told under the national media. But on 9/11, there was a van stopped blocks away from the WTC. On the side of the van was a mural painted with the twin towers, and "9/11" along with an airliner.
    http://southeastasianews.org/rahm_arrested_zio14.jpg
    What's interesting is, on police radio they talk about it, call in a bomb squad, and say the two guys who stopped the van are in custody. But they never release what information they got out of these guys! This actually points to the OS opposed to an inside job, but I think it's interesting that a small of the U.S. knows about this.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    They weren't designed for a plane attack but an impact from an airplane as this was a known danger. In the 1940's a military bomber accidentally crashed into the Empire State Building.

    http://www.ussartf.org/world_trade_center_disaster.htm
    [rquoter]According to one of the designers of the World Trade Center (WTC), the towers were originally designed to take the impact of a Boeing 707; and the impact of the aircraft on Sept. 11th did not take the buildings down. In fact, WTC One stood for 1 hour and WTC Two stood for 1 3/4 hours after impact. Engineers familiar with the chain of events suspect that heat from the massive and extraordinary fires weakened the structures and initiated the progressive collapses.[/rquoter]

    The 767 and 757 that were crashed into the WTC towers on 9/11 are larger than 707's and in that sense the engineers did a good job since the towers didn't immediately collapse on impact.
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    I worked in architecture and minored in structural engineering so I know how you feel. I just participate for my own entertainment and in regard to specific issues.
     
  9. ToyCen428

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    9/11 Propoganda:

    In the video "The 9/11 Hotel" It is claimed a little girl snapped this famous picture of one of the planes striking the tower...

    Well, the photographer that snapped it is named Rob Howard.

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    3:15 Mark...

    Narrator -- “Christine and her daughter joined the crowds and the confusion, beneath the twin towers.”

    Christine-- “Everyone was gazing up; somebody said… there has been a light plane goes into the tower. Om- god and we looked up at it. And I said to my daughter, I said, she had her camera
    Take a photo of it, because you are never going to see that again. You know we are never going to experience that again... And as she was sort of pointing it up to snap the picture, at that point the second plane comes in”

    Narrator-- “this is the photograph Christine’s daughter took.”

    here is a copy of Christine's photo:
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    Here is RoB Howards photo:
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    Here is a side by side comparison of the two, when Rob's photo is cropped.
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    Christine lied about taking the photo, Now… why would they need to fake a plane photo and lie about an account?

    Now, there is a famous picture of a man who jumped out of the WTC. There was a documentary, looking for his identity. Long story short, they find his identity, and have his sister on at the end.

    If you look up the sister, she is a professional actor. On her RESUME online, she list that 9/11 documentary under her WORK that she has done. How wrong is it, as an actor, to claim your work as in a documentary where you portray "yourself" Odd? yes.

    If you want proof of this I can find it for you, it'll takwe a few but i can find it.
     
  10. marks0223

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    Old stuff, those reports were from two weeks of 9/11/01 and false.

    On the WTC. If the buildings were rigged top to bottom with explosives then wouldn't a plane crashing into the building serious screw up the the way the explosives were wired making them useless? The "implosion" in each building began at the point of impact of each plane where the the wired rigged explosives would have been knocked out do to the impact and fires.
     
  11. ToyCen428

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    "1,270 Architects/Engineers Reveal Hard Evidence of Explosive Demolition at World Trade Center on 9/11"

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100907/pl_usnw/DC60870

    ormer US Senator Mike Gravel (D-AK) and Richard Gage, AIA, Founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Discuss Scientific Findings

    National Press Club, Washington DC, 2:00 pm, Thursday, September 9, 2010

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- On Thursday September 9, 2010, Gravel and Gage will host a central press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, presenting hard evidence that all three WTC skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, in NYC were destroyed by explosive controlled demolition.

    Senator Gravel notes, "Critically important evidence has come forward after the original government building reports were completed."

    This press conference will be webcast at AE911Truth.org and hosted concurrently in cities throughout the world.* Following the conference, there will be a mock debate during which public statements made by government investigators and other defenders of the official account will be presented and responded to in multimedia format. "They refuse to debate us in person," says Gage, "so we will let their public statements represent them."

    Gage will release a media-friendly summary of his organization's findings, which are based on forensic evidence as well as video and eyewitness testimony that were omitted from official reports. He will show evidence that the WTC Twin Towers were not destroyed by jet plane impacts or fires, but by pre-set explosives and incendiaries. The non-profit organization, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, will also call for a grand jury investigation of government report lead engineers Shyam Sunder and John Gross of the National Institute of Standards and Technology. "They were in a position to know the evidence we have been presenting," says Gage.

    Also speaking will be Florida State Professor Lance deHaven-Smith, who coined the academic term State Crimes Against Democracy (SCAD). Prof. deHaven-Smith has appeared on Good Morning America, the Today Show, NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, CBS Nightly News with Dan Rather, and other national TV/radio shows.

    The DC press conference will be accessible via webcast AE911Truth.org, 2:00 pm September 9, 2010.

    * For information on satellite press conferences in your area, contact CongressionalOutreachTeam [at] ae911truth.org.

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    you're right. those 1270 are wrong. my bad.
     
  12. ToyCen428

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    lol those reports are fact.


    Where would the smokescreen be? The WTC falls to the ground from explosives. There had to be a clear, physical reasong for the buildings to collapse from the everyday Joe.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    It sounds like you heated it to the point where it cracked but not to the point of complete failure of the member. Also was the member under load at time? I suspect if the member completely failed and was underload at the time you would've heard something that sounded like an explosion.

    For example I have seen the video feed of the collapse of the I-35W bridge over the Mississippi, attributed to the failure of a steel gusset plate, and it sounds like an explosion.

    Then again some of our conspiracy minded posters might also say that was actually brought down by an explosion to create a false flag operation to benefit the concrete industry by making steel look bad. ;)

    If you've worked on structural steel I presume you know that structural steel must be fire protected and per mass is performs poorer in a fire than structural wood. You don't need to super heat the steel but just heat it enough to where it becomes slightly elastic.
     
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    Just from glancing at their website I can without hesitation say that they are wrong or elast misguided. Most of the things that they cite have been addressed before and also there are more reasonable explanations for what they cite, Occam's Razor for the win, than what they put forward.
     
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    Are you seeing the information with an unbiased eye? If you did I think you would put some stock in facts that counter you opinion.
     
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    It's funny how all of ToyCen's "facts" are things that were erroneously reported just hours after the planes hit the towers. He thinks that correcting these erroneous reports is all part of the conspiracy. LOL.

    With all due respect, how STUPID do you have to be to believe all this nonsense?
     
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    It's move past funny and has gone straight to sad.
     
  20. kevC

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    I have a conspiracy theory that ToyCen is faking this conspiracy-theorist persona. No one can be that stupid.
     

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