I wouldn't consider Johnson or Stoudemire superstars, but I know that's not the point. I understand what you're trying to say, but to me, I don't think that it changes the picks because everyone knew the Knicks would get someone from the second that trade was made.
I disagree. The key to all of this is the PROTECTION on those picks. Sure, if the pick was, say, top-10 protected, then it would have less value. But even if teams forecast the Knicks to fall in that #10 or #11 "slot", the pick also comes with the allowance for the Knicks winning the lottery and getting the #2 or #3 pick. For even the CHANCE at this, teams will put a premium on that 2011 pick swap.
they'll play harder, but with a weaker roster. just like you saying not to count on them being a lotto team, i'm saying not to count on an improvement. nothing is set in stone just yet to prove your point or mine. amare (who isnt a done deal yet) isn't that type of difference maker. they need a team.
Even if it is only a midround pick, we will have two in the first. That could allow us to move up in 2012 to a top 8 (ish) . But the picks best value is a SnT asset, this week. (under the "bird in the hand" theory of economic value)
No, they did not endure. They were so panic that made a stupid trade with Rockets. They are always panic and having no plan or future.
I was thinking about the 2012 pick. Taking a pick outright is much more valuable than just a swap. Didn't most of next year's crop come out early to get drafted under the existing CBA? The one-and-dones didn't I guess.
I feel like people are assuming the Knicks WILL get 2 "superstars" or close. Amare is basically a done deal but there's no guarantee that someone else will come with him. I do expect them to get another big name player but its not a guarantee. I could easily see them losing Lee and overpaying for two mediocre players like Shannon Brown and Raymond Felton.
To avoid a possible lockout next year. If there's a lockout after next season guys in that draft will possibly lose a year's salary.
They could... EAST Playoff teams: Orlando Boston Milwaukee Chicago Maybe: Miami Cleveland New Jersey Charlotte Atlanta
It was a part of their plan. They needed to create the cap space otherwise \they wasted those years all for nothing.
Agreed. While people love to make fun of the "scrubs" on the Knicks last year, but there were some pretty good players who will be renounced by New York. Al Harrington is a good player. People forget just how good he is. Sure, he's fallen in love with his jump shot of late, but playing in Golden State and then New York will do that to a guy. He scored almost 18 ppg off the bench, all while being pressured out of the lineup so that New York could feature Gallinari more and more in the offense. Chris Duhon is a quality point guard. He's not an exciting name, but he can defend and can distribute better than most NBA point guards. Other teams are interested in signing him this summer. Sergio Rodriguez is going back to Spain. New York will have nothing to show for the Nate Robinson/Eddie House "energizer" spot. No more Larry Hughes/Tracy McGrady, either. Say what you will, but those guys have TALENT. And they're gone. And, no joke, they have no Jared Jeffries. For as much of a zero as he is on offense, he was far and away their best defender. He was oftentimes called upon to guard the other team's best offensive player (sometimes regardless of position). That was why he was in their starting lineup. Without him, they have no chance of slowing any team down even a little bit. Again, I'm not saying that the 2009-10 Knicks were good. I'm just saying that people overlook that the Knicks will be parting with some good players whose contributions will be missed next season.
IMO, Johnson will only head to NY if it's with lebron, but Lebron would probably rather take amare. similarly, he'll only head to chicago only if he gets equal money, and ATL has no reason to cooperate.
How would it be set at 10-20 range, without Wade and Lebron? Even if they get a 2nd tier star like Rudy Gay, they would still be worse than the no-defense Grizzlies. Grizzlies were 14-38(0.269 record), before the Gasol trade in 2007-08. Darko > Curry Grizzlies Darko wins by default, Curry is always injured. Gasol vs Amare push Gay vs Gay push Mike Miller >> Gallinari Grizzlies Conley/Lowry >> Toney Douglas B]Grizzlies[/B] They play in an easier conference, so instead of winning 22 games, they might have 32 wins.
I'm counting that they'll sign someone to complement their young players. Not that their leftovers will be better than last year's team. My point is that you cannot reasonably expect them to remain the same or be worse. There's a difference between saying they cannot suck, and saying that they're not likely to suck. Other GMs aren't going to treat our picks like they're top 10 picks, just because they have potential to be one. Just like young players with potential to be all-stars don't actually have all-star trade values.
Fixed! I would add the Wizards to the "maybe" section and Atlanta to the playoff picture... With the addition of Wall and Arenas, I think the Wizards can make the playoffs! and Atlanta is still a solid playoff team even if they lose J.Johnson this off-season. --RB
Even if the Knicks strike out on everyone in FA but Amare, your lineups still make no sense. Not to mention 32 wins puts them at... the 10th pick, which incidently is where I put the Knicks for their worst case scenario. You've pretty much given the doomsday Knicks scenario, and they still won't be worse than a 10th pick.
Think of it this way: Amare and J.Johnson sign with NY for max deals recreating the 2004 phoenix suns except one key component....Steve Nash. Instead, Amare and J.Johnson will be utilizing the services of none other than Toney Douglas. personally, I feel pretty good about the pick and swap option.
32 wins was a best case scenario of a Stoudemire/Gay/Gallinari trio were just as good as Gay/Gasol/Miller Grizzlies. Once they sign 2 max players, they have very little money for vets. They have no MLE, or Bi-Annual exeption. They only have vet min exception(sign a player for about $1 mil/season), that allows them to go over the cap.
