The guy can barely get it to mid court man....why does he deserve a chance and not JL3 (who is also a young liability) or Matt Maloney (we are still paying him right?....oh we took the money out of RudyT's contract....karma). The only thing VSPAN has proved is that he has moments and the INTERNET is a great place to build up a fan club without the rest of the world actually seeing you play enough.....this guy played more like a 2 guard in the World Games in my opinion....he seems to me like he looks for his own shot before others to me....if VSpan was smart he would become the best passer to Yao on the team.....good luck to you both....you're a great member here.
Why do I bother???? SHEESH...but....for craps and giggles....here goes.... No, I am going by all the games I watched him play in the preseason and how many times he attacked the basket and made extremely creative plays. Your only decent point, except Rafer does not play with any creativity any more, and if you haven't noticed, his assists are way down, and JVG has taken away his PG duties on offense as he primarily dribbles the ball up and hands it off to Tmac to initiate the offense. Yes, because playing the game...the GAME of basketball should be boring and tiresome instead of fun.... Because the team was up 30 points..THIRTY FRICKEN POINTS !!!!! Let me ask you an honest question, do you think anyone honestly listens to a coach that b****es about a game when his team wins by 30? Yes, I agree, but that fact loses steam in a 30 point game, it is called garbage time for a reason. I love how you throw stuff like this out without any back up whatsoever. My OPINIONS about JVG are the same as they ever were. I think he is a talented coach who has an attention to detail that is 2nd to none. I also find him obtuse and slow to adapt changes and trends that are prevelant in today's NBA game. JVG is a good coach, but I think Rudy would be a better coach for this team, at this time. FINALLY, we agree, I understand this completely, but he is not going to get much of his point across in a 30 point game, now is he? He was a 2nd round pick THREE years ago.....FOR A REASON....IMO, he would have been a first round pick if coming out this year. Let's keep the discussions to THIS year's version of V-Span, not one from 3 years ago...MMMMMMKAAAAYYY????? I have no problem with coaches being critical, but in order for criticism to work, and to stick, you have to do it in the right context. You don't get much traction when you criticize turnovers when your team is up 30 and everyone is playing garbage basketball.....what you get is players doing THIS.... Now quit following me around you are getting embarrased and hammered and losing the argument to me....like you lost the Boki bet. You are certainly a glutton for punishment....I am going to have to start calling you my woman !!!! DD
Yeah, him leading his team to 2nd in the world championships and beating the USA team with Wade and Lebron etc on it.....proves that he can barely bring the ball up the court. Come on ....go have another sandwich and when you get enough money you can step up to the $1000 table, cause right now your posts aren't worth a plug nickel. DD
I'll keep the plu nickel and you can keep the Hair plugs.....dude the first sign you are losing an argument...cough cough to Sam Fisher....is you make it personal.....I personally don't want to put faith in this guy right now on this team, so we can make it to the playoffs and him to revert to the unstable player he seemed like in the game after Wade ...THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME IN THE TOURNAMENT!!!!!!! I'll bet you a $1000 he will never be better than Nash and Ginobli anytime you are ready! I try to have fun and objective in my posts around here, I'm sorry if you can't do the same....I take it back....the site is probably great even withou you. I get it....you are the Preacher and VSpans your choir boy....how sweet........ just kikidding....dadakota....so you taking the bet?
That's nice. In summer league John Lucas III looks like a better version of Gibert Arenas and you thought Dan Langhi looked like Larry Bird. translation: you were talking out your ass and realize that you were wrong. Oh, well! Thanks for reminding me, as long as the Rox have fun who cares if they win! Clutch, take the standings off the site and replace it with a fun-o-meter, ok? translation: I can't respond to your point, cause I don't have one of my own so I'm just going to blab "THIRTY FRICKEN POINTS" again and again I don't know, but I know that rookies who want to play in the NBA should. it's not garbage time - it's a job interview. Spanoulis knows this. Oh, DaDakota, go back and read some of your idiotic rants from 2004-05 (or really any time frame) in which you rail about him never being able to coach offense, ruining players, not making the playoffs - blah blah blah. The problem with providing "back up" to things like this is that you've made so many stupid statements, so many times, that it's hard to pick and choose among them. Well, yeah YOU would. As Clutch and others observed recently - there's a mentall ping pong game going on inside your head. Anybody who doesn't change with the wind every five seconds is slow compared to you. Unless Rudy were here, and within 5 seconds it would be "THIS TEAM needs DISCIPLINE.....They are playing DUMB!!! WHERE IS LARRY BROWN? WE NEED JVG BACK! DD" Not to you, thankfully you're not the audience I care about. Way to avoid the issue like a total wuss: You b****ing about Spanoulis not playing is batsh-t stupid because Spanoulis IS playing. EARLY. In his rookie season. Way to avoid the issue like a total wuss Number II: Spanoulis has never been a high-assist guy ever, but you're brining up Steve Nash. The guy averaged 1.something assists in the worlds this past summer. Thanks, Sigmund, leave the psych to the pros. Evidence? Basis? Zero? - hey it's a DaDakota post... Right...Koby Clemens, Lidge to start!, Nachbar the second option! And your famous "zone defense against Phoenix is the way to go!" brainchild last week, which was DOA and exposed as what it was: a poorly thought out idea. You're really knocking them out of the park lately.
JVG needs to allow his players to play. The team does seem to be robotic sometimes always having to look to the bench for both offensive and defensive plays being called out. The coach should allow his players to run the plays without having to always look at him.
Actually, "DD" ruined the thread when he used it as a pretext to vent his anti-JVG bias. Maybe it is too much to ask him to stay on topic, because from what I've read from him, this is par for the course.
On the turnovers in garbage time, I think they were both right. The NBA is ultimately in the entertainment industry and putting on a show 30 points up is legit. Likewise, garbage time is when JVG is most willing to give the outer-rotation guys a chance to prove they deserve more time. The difference is JVG is the boss and I think Vspan learned, on this team, what the protocol is. I like Vspan's enthusiasm and his desire to play at the highest level. But he's still a rookie and has a lot to prove so I hope he keeps that in mind. I also admire JVG's no-nonsense style, but you've also got to keep the entire team motivated. It's only a matter of time before everyone starts complaining about the TPS reports and takes it out on a copy machine.
Two Sandwiches, you have entered into a zone in which you are not familiar. Sam and I always go back and forth, heck Sam goes back and forth with everyone. My reference to yours was meant as humor, but reading it now it just sounds callous.... No offense to you intended....Sam on the other hand... DD
Wow, I don't know who you are, but you are certainly willing to jump into the fire. Welcome to the boards. I don't HATE JVG, but I don't think he is a championship coach either. An example of a championship coach who plays his rookies, without being forced to because of injuries is Greg Popovich. JVG - no so much.....but he is coaching the Rockets and they are 12-6, but I think his style is extremely short sighted and leaves the team extremely vulnerable to injuries. DD
I think JL3 could be a decent backup PG and game changer in the mold of Earl Boykins IF he could get comfortable on the court. But, he will not do that by sitting on the bench, he would be better off being groomed in the NBDL. Yawn - There goes Sammy boy off the deep end - the pot calling the kettle black. You are the king of pointless pontification, and calling opinions wrong...just amazingly condescending on your part, but not surprising. RIIIIIGGHHHHHTTTTT, because in a 30 point game with 6 minutes to go the other team is going to score 4 touchdowns with 2 point conversion and steal the victory.....Context my man...CONTEXT. The point is that players realize the signifigance of the game, and they are not robots, they understand that the game is over and they decide to have a little fun, what is wrong with that? Of course, you disagree with some of my takes on basketball, but are willing to call names in order to attempt to make yourself feel better, but not really have any substative arguments to support your case. I get it....typical Sam Fisher posting.... Unlike you, I am not afraid to take a stand and put some opinions out there, YOU on the otherhand just come in to critcize and not offer any relevant material other than simply trying to belittle others and argue, it is your M.O. You call 6 minutes playing? And he is only in the rotation because of injury, do you honestly feel that JVG would have been playing him? The Rockets need a fiery player - V-Span sits, the Rockets need a backup PG, V-Span sits. What is the point of having him on the roster and grooming him for the future if you are not willing to live with a few of his mistakes...Popovich played Parker and Ginobli, and they improved rapidly....V-Span would too with a little trust and playing time...IMHO. Way to continue to show your ignorance on the game of basketball, I guess you did not know that FIBA rules differ on assists and the NBA is much more liberal in granting them......NAH...of course you knew that you just forgot....RIGHT? There I fixed it for you. Context my man...CONTEXT....Koby was a guess on what the big August 1st announcement might be. I said Nachbar could be a 3rd or 4th option and at best a 2nd option, and Zone defense against Phoenix....IS THE WAY TO GO....as a way to mix it up. Just because some people disagree does not invalidate my argument about the zone, I have been coaching basketball for years, and there are a lot more zones than the 2-3, with the Rockets poor footspeed a zone can help mask that deficiency and stop drives, or it can cover the 3pt line there are numerous zones to try......but whatever.....you agreed with Jeff who disagreed with me.....Jeff is entitled to his opinion and I am entitled to mine. I have been for years, glad you took notice, you should try it sometime....or better yet, just stick to criticizing others, that is what you do best, well, that and call people names.... Stay Classy Sammy Diego ! DD
Once again, you make a completely invalid comparison. Ast/TO/MIN (rookie year) Manu - 2/1.4/20.7 TP - 4.3/2/29.4 Billy - .7/1.1/10.8 JVG's decision about V-Span is COMPLETELY different from Pop's on Manu and TP. It's fine that you have an opinion, but you should really keep it to yourself if you have absolutely no rational basis for it. Try to actually listen to what guys like SamFisher write instead of getting defensive and spewing even more nonsense.
Hey DD your thoughts are not lost. JVG's robotic style of coaching will eventually be his downfall. He wants to break VSpan of those things that make him special because he can't see it. VSpan has been a winner at every level and with the right coach he will continue to be a winner. Van Gundy is not that coach. Van Gundy has no insight. Everything is x' and o's. True most coaches are a bit anal but Van Gundy has a basketball pole shoved so far up his ass he talks in binary code. In the words of Albert Einsten, "Not everything that can be counted counts and not everything that counts can be counted. Billy has a warriors mentality and a passion for the game. Given the opportunity to play his style, he will make this team better but Van Gundy can’t look that deeply or abstractly and will never see it. I am convinced if Van Gundy was a football coach and he drafted Vince Young he would move him to wide receiver. Yes the team is 12-6 and winning more often than not. But they are still blowing leads and losing close games. They do what they are told because they are higher ethics type players but they will never go to war for this coach.
DD, let me first say I agree JVG went overboard. No doubt about it IMO. I'm not a JVG lover or a V-Span hater. The discussion between you and Sam is interesting and I hesitate to be involved but answer me two questions: 1 Can you agree that V-Span, an unproven new NBA player who has not yet established anything in the NBA, did the wrong thing by showboating during garbage time? It isn't something you see 18 game rookies do very often, right? The last thing new rookies need to do is anything other than work on skills and habits that will help the team. V-Span reverted to preseason form and that was a bad thing. I doubt if TP or Manu did that as an 18 game rookie during a Spurs blowout that Pop would have been any easier on them. 2 Do you think JVG sees something in V-Span? I think he does and that partially explains his animation. He expects more out of the guy because he sees potential to play V-Span more often during the season. Again, JVG went overboard. No argument from me. But V-Span used extremely poor judgement in trying to "entertain" the crowd. At this point in time, his sole focus should be mastering his current role. Entertaining can come later.
A decent post, but talk to me when V-Span gets those 20+ minutes a game. This more than proves my point that Popovich let them learn while PLAYING and not glued to the bench. And the Spurs are WAY better because of it....JVG, well he would rather bring in David Wesley, Rick Bronson, Charlie Ward, Rod Strickland...anyone, just don't play a guy who might make a mistake in his rookie year. The Vince Young comparison is apt in talking about V-Span, maybe not to the same degree as VY, but certainly comparible, it is the intangibles that will elevate the team, same as Sura when he was playing well. Look, I understand what JVG is trying to do, he is trying to break V-Span, mold him so to speak....I just disagree with how he is going about it. I believe in a "Sink or swim" scenario where he gets thrown into the fire....particularly when we are talking about a 25 year old ACCOMPLISHED international player. DD
