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New Study Finds Voter ID Laws Burdensome

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  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    Republican Says Party Officials Discussed Suppressing Black

    Jim Greer, Former Florida Republican Chairman, Says Party Officials Discussed Suppressing Black Vote

    In a lawsuit filed against the Republican Party in Florida, former chairman Jim Greer said that party officials discussed ways in which they could prevent blacks from voting, the Tampa Bay Times reports.

    Greer alleged that party officials, some of whom he called "whack-a-do's," discussed suppressing the black vote in a December 2009 meeting.

    "I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting. It had been one of those days,'' he said. Greer also said that the party wanted to oust former governor Charlie Crist, a Republican, in part because Crist appointed a liberal black judge to the state's Supreme Court.

    Greer, however, has an axe to grind: he is facing corruption charges on six felonies, including money laundering and grand theft stemming from allegations that he ran a shell company that improperly funneled party money to him.

    Gov. Rick Scott of Florida, a Republican, has endorsed a voter I.D. law in the state, as well as a purge that its supporters say is meant to keep non-citizens from illegally casting a ballot. But critics say that voter fraud almost never happens, that disproportionate numbers of the people purged are Democrats or Hispanics who are legally eligible to vote, and that the purge does not leave them sufficient time to re-register in the event that they were accidentally kicked off the voter rolls.

    Earlier this week, Crist said that Rick Scott, who succeeded him as governor, called the state's voter I.D. laws and its controversial voter purge "unconscionable."

    “The concern really is on sort of a closing the door on democracy,” Crist told MSNBC on Wednesday.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/27/jim-greer-suppress-black-vote_n_1710700.html
     
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  2. FranchiseBlade

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    This is a huge piece and evidence why the laws are wrong.

    So much for those who claim they can't understand why everyone wouldn't want to make sure there are measures to ensure proper identification in order to vote.
     
  3. ROXTXIA

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    It isn't. AT ALL.

    Do a search on GREG PALAST and VOTER FRAUD. There's a lot more than this.

    http://www.gregpalast.com/voting-fraud-is-a-fraud-buzzflash-interviews-greg-palast/

    Greg Palast and BuzzFlash go back to the election of 2000. At that time, large progressive political news sites were hard to come by – and there was only one investigative reporter who was able to unravel the theft of the Florida election: Greg Palast.

    Greg didn’t just expose the mugging of democracy. As a University of Chicago trained researcher, he was able to detail how Katherine Harris used an outside vendor to create caging lists that prevented legitimate voters from casting their ballots. In fact, Greg has a laptop presentation that actually shows you the lists that Harris’s office worked from in keeping minorities from voting.

    Of course, Greg’s investigation on vote theft – which has branched out widely in the intervening years – is persuasive and thorough enough for the BBC and British newspapers, but not for the corporate press in America! We kid you not.

    To this day, Palast is effectively banned from reaching the mainstream American voter because television stations and big papers are owned by companies that don’t want to rock the vote. It might hurt their tax cuts or efforts to deregulate media ownership.

    BuzzFlash thought that now would be a good time to revisit with our most interviewed expert on BuzzFlash, Greg Palast. After all, we have an election coming up.

    * * *

    BuzzFlash: You have been investigating the coordinated and vigorous GOP effort to suppress and steal votes since the theft of the election in 2000. You and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. just did a BBC Documentary on what nefarious voter suppression tactics the Republicans have in store for us in 2008. Can you summarize some of the methods that the GOP are using to disenfranchise non-Republican voters prior to the election, to prevent them from voting during the election, and to keep their votes from being counted after the polls close?

    Greg Palast: It's ugly. Consider:

    - In the swing state of Colorado, we found that the Republican Secretary of State wiped out 19.4% - one in five - voter names in an unnoticed mass purge.

    - In swing-state New Mexico, in the February caucus, one in nine Democrats found their names missing from the voter rolls supplied by the State. The elections supervisor of San Miguel County - whose own name was missing from the rolls - has no confidence the state contractors will fix it. Our statistical analysis showed there was a direct relationship between your name and your race and income. The poor and the dark were disappeared.

    - In Indiana, you heard about 10 nuns who lost their vote because their ID - drivers' licenses - had expired (they were all over eighty). But what about the others? We've calculated that 143,000 others were turned away - disproportionately Blacks and new voters.

    And so on and so on.

    BuzzFlash: BuzzFlash has been covering one public relations effort by the Republican National Committee to create a false context for claiming voter fraud. In short, they have been attacking a national community organizing group called ACORN with news releases, lawsuits, surrogate assaults, etc., falsely claiming (as they did in 2004 and 2006) that ACORN is engaged in the massive illegal registration of primarily minority voters. Can you explain the significance of the ACORN slander by the RNC?

    Greg Palast: As RFK and I report, there are only about SIX voters found guilty of federal voting fraud in a year. SiX! Out of 178 million registered voters.

    So the GOP (and Fox and CNN) are running stories about ACORN signing up zillions of illegal voters. Yep, there are a handful of phony names - but 'Mary Poppins' has never shown up to vote.

    However, the Republican cry of 'Vote Fraud!' has become the cover for purges and challenges to legal voters by the millions.

    I even tracked down and filmed some of these so-called fraudulent voters handed me from a GOP list. Every one was a legal voter.

    Tell us a bit about the site and downloadable comic book that you launched with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. on how to prevent the theft of millions of votes by the Republicans, yet again in 2008. The website is: http://www.stealbackyourvote.com.

    Greg Palast: Our Rolling Stone report that's out this week is all about how they've stolen so many legitimate votes. The comic book, which includes the Rolling Stone findings also includes the SEVEN WAYS TO STEAL IT BACK.

    And the whole thing is illustrated brilliantly by comic crazies Ted Rall, Lukas Ketner and Troubletown's Lloyd Dangle. I loved doing it.

    You can download the whole comic book for a penny or more (donate more please) at StealBackYourVote.org. And better yet, you can order bunches of the comic book there as well (and see the short movies). Cool eh?

    BuzzFlash: Can you briefly explain the role of ProsecutorGate at the DOJ in efforts to suppress the Democratic vote in 2006? How did this fit in with Karl Rove’s grand voter suppression and theft plan?

    Greg Palast: You betcha! Fired prosecutor David Iglesias told us something astonishing: He said that he was fired because he refused to arrest innocent citizens for voter fraud that didn’t happen. That's obstruction of justice. It was all about creating a hysteria over fraudulent voters that didn’t exist.

    This is what Iglesias basically said: "They wanted some splashy pre-election indictments [Rove and the RNC] that would scare these alleged hordes of illegal voters away." Only the voters were legal.

    BuzzFlash: Isn’t there one bright spot? You cut your teeth on GOP voter disenfranchisement with brilliant reporting on how the Bush campaign team, Jeb Bush, and Katherine Harris prevented tens of thousands of valid minority voters from voting through a scheme to use an outside vendor, ChoicePoint, to create an inaccurate list of felons who could not vote in 2000 in Florida. Hasn’t the current GOP governor, Charlie Crist, had the right to vote of ex-felons restored?

    Greg Palast: Crist is a duplicitous phony. On the one hand, he pretends they'll let ex-cons vote as in almost every state. On the other hand less than a handful of the half million ex-cons in the state have been able to get through the insane rigamarole required to actually register. In most states ex-cons can vote like anyone else.

    BuzzFlash: As a follow up, from a practical matter, don’t the Republicans have to be within a certain striking distance to steal the election. If Obama keeps trending up, or ends up with a double-digit popular vote victory, how could the GOP steal the election? After all, if Nader weren’t on the ballot in Florida – despite all the nefarious Republican voter suppression and theft – Al Gore would be president, right?

    Greg Palast: That's what RFK and I say: you can't steal ALL the votes ALL the time.
     
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  4. cml750

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    At least the Huff post did include the bolded part. Jim Greer may not have a whole lot of credibility right now.
     
  5. Commodore

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    tells you alot about the left's opinion of blacks that they think they aren't as capable of obtaining an ID
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    Actually it says the same thing about the right, since they employed the tactic in order to prevent blacks from voting according to various sources already posted in this thread.
     
  7. body slam

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    I'm all for voter ID. I look at all there areas of my life that requires me to show a ID and personally I do not think voting should be any different.
     
  8. body slam

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    Hoenestly if it is this big of deal why not put it on the ballet and let the people vote on it?
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    If everyone has to have an id period, then it is fine. But that's not the case. Most people who don't drive don't have an id.

    THis is really sickening and it's a blatant attempt to disenfranchise people who are not Republicans. I hope it backfires on them and makes more people turned off to the Republican party.

    Its strange how todays tea partiers keep pushing people out of the middle and to the left. I feel like I once was a moderate, and now I am basically forced to vote liberal because of how disgusting the right has become.
     
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    Make it easy and free to get an ID and nobody would be arguing or complaining about Voter ID. In some places, there is only one day a week when you can get the required ID and in other places, they made it where you could only get it on the fifth Wednesday of the month (which only happened 3 times a YEAR).

    It isn't about ID, it isn't about voter fraud (which doesn't happen, look at the numbers), it is about suppressing the Democratic vote for partisan political purposes.
     

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