New Porsche sedan

997=911 just the way they keep track of generation

Like C6 corvette


911 = corvette

997 = c6

 

Well you edited your comment, but I did not refer to the 997. The 997 didn't come out until after the Cayenne was introduced to my knowledge. I should've said "I" instead of anyone. Got kind of ticked with people attributing comments to me that I wasn't making. But you're right. I stand corrected either way.

The reason 911 owners were pissed at the Cayenne Turbo/Turbo S was that it was an SUV that out-ran their cars and to that point Porsche had always been about.... cars.

 

Those are good points. I hadn't considered other elite car makers do similar things. Lamborghinis and Ferraris are works of art. Maybe it's because the general Porsche design hasn't changed in so long. Maybe I just hate Porsche's design - I don't know.

 

I edited it because I am trying to be less confrontational and more informational after I picked up a few bans.

You referred to the 911 which right now is the 997 but could easily also mean the 996. At no time has the 911 turbo ever been slower than the Cayenne Turbo. I think that is the important part to remember.

 

Agreed. The Turbo S Cayenne is the beast I was referring to spanking Carerras and Carrera 4's from what I recall a few years ago. I remember Porsche owners raising a stink over this. But I guess if you pay $100k for your SUV, it should probably do some ridiculous things.

 

Of course, now that i've publicly professed my love for the R8, the DBS will track me down and run over my legs.

Providing it can get past my Corolla and Stratus. Not a joke.

 

I don't have much to say about a car I will never ever think of buying, but it does surprise me that some of you exotic car fans didn't know that VW and Porsche have been sharing parts for years.

 

It's definitely unique looking, I wouldn't mind it sitting in my driveway.

 

I don't think it's so much sharing the parts that's the problem - it's some Porsche owners being reminded about it. They were started by the same guy from what I recall. The sharing of parts between elite and not-so-elite names exists everywhere. I believe the Chrysler Crossfire used an "old" Mercedes engine from the old SLK's. I'm too scared to look and see if Lamborghini (probably my favorite exotic car make) used Chrysler parts from back in the day.

 

Someone I'm quite fond of compared it to Adolph Busch drinking American water for the first time, and deciding to make a beer that tasted like it. The worst German/American connection ... everish.

 

I think it's more the implications being made by the person noting the sometime part sharing since such a fact is often offered as a way of saying "Porsches are pieces of junk because they sometimes share parts with VWs", especially since, outside of the relatively rare joint venture (the 914/924/944 models - though the 924 and 944 were more Audi/Porsche joint ventures - and the SUVs), VWs and Porsches very rarely share parts.

Until Porsche took control of VW last year, the companies were completely separate operations that happened to have some family members who owned stakes in both companies . Though Ferdinand Porsche did develop the Beetle, he lost his position at VW after the War. His son, Ferry Porsche, started Porsche. The earliest Porsche cars used mechanical parts from VW Beetles, but as time went on, those parts were replaced by Porsche-made parts. And except for the handful of joint ventures (usually to produce lower-end models), the two companies' products virtually never intertwined in any meaningful way.

Now that Porsche has taken control of VW, I expect there will be more corporate cost/part sharing (as evidenced by the VW engine in the low-end Panamera), though probably still not nearly as much as Porsche detractors believe there's been all along.

 

I know the Touareg and the Cayenne share(d) the same chassis and transmission. I don't know about any other similarities. VW's engine and engineering goes into a lot of cars... hell the Veyron is a product of VW engineering from what I recall.

 

And Porsche has had a competing engineering consultancy for several decades, as well.

The reason Bugatti's Veyron has VW engineering is because Bugatti is a VW subsidiary. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that there's some VW engineering in the newer Lambos, too, since they are also a VW subsidiary. Bentley, too (I know the W12 engine in the Audi A8 is the same W12 that was in the Phaeton and is in the Bentley Continental GT, and the whole thing is based on the VR6 engine they put in Passats and the like).

Porsche never has been a VW subsidiary, though they're now (as of last year) VW's parent company.

I mentioned the SUVs as a specific joint venture. The old 914 was, as well. And the 924 and 944 were joint ventures with Audi (which is, for all intents and purposes, a joint venture with VW).

 

As a kid, that Lamborghini Countach was my favorite car... wooo!

 

it's ugly.