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New poll finds increasing support for regulated MJ

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by GladiatoRowdy, Jun 29, 2003.

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  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    While that is a mighty impressive quote the following could also be said:

    What kind of peace officer, what kind of society would allow a peace officer to use one minute of time, spend one dollar, or use any jail cell for a cocaine user when vicious child murderers are on the loose?

    How about:

    What kind of peace officer, what kind of society would allow a peace officer to use one minute of time, spend one dollar, or use any jail cell for a guy drving 65 in a 55 MPH zone when vicious child murderers are on the loose?

    Please cite me a case in which a "vicious child murderer" was denied a jail cell becasue there was a pot smoker using it. Does he cite any examples as to how "viscious child murderers" were out on the street and he didn't have enough manpower or budget to pursue them? I suppose if we didn't have any mar1juana laws, then JonBenet Ramsey's killer would be brought to justice by now. I suppose that has nothing to do with inept police work or lack of hard evidence. It must be the pot!
     
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  2. goophers

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    You don't give me a half-hour after you take days.....time for a Dr. Evil "YEEAAAAAHHH RIIIIIIIIIGHT" :D
     
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  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Agreed. It works just as well for that one.

    :rolleyes:
    Good God, you really are prone to silly arguments. We don't jail people for traffic tickets unless they fail to pay their fines. Even then, we don't spend inordinate amounts of time and resources chasing these people, we wait for them to get pulled over again and put them in jail then.

    We have overcrowding problems in ALL of our prisons. They are packed full to the point that child molesters, murderers, rapists, and all other manner of DANGEROUS criminals are let out of jail on "good time" so that we will have space for the people who are in jail for possession.

    There doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 (a specific pot smoker jailed as a child murderer is freed) in order for us to see that prohibition has caused VIOLENT criminals to be set free early to make room for people convicted of nonviolent drug possession.

    My point is that if there were NO people in jail for possession, we would have MORE than enough jails, guards, and money to incarcerate violent, predatory, and dangerous criminals for their entire sentance.
     
    #23 GladiatoRowdy, Jul 1, 2003
  4. Rocket River

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    HEY I like the ILLUSION that my doctor was puffing on weed
    before he did my open heart surgery
    or root canal
    etc

    My point is. . . . I have to trust they ain't drinking
    add into it . . .I have to trust they ain't heroining it up, MaryJaning, etc
    because they all legal now .. . is a bit much for me

    They maybe all that . . but i feel the threat of losing something
    keeps more from doing it

    Who you like employees to take WEED breaks .. like cigarette breaks?

    How many Weed smokers do you know? How do they act when they high? would you want them operating heavy equipment?

    Would weed be like Alcohol?

    Some regulation but the question becomes
    Does all our DRUG WAR money now goto the Food and Drug Admin?

    I don't think we need a drug war. .. but i don't think legalizing it is the way either
    Just treat it like tickets I guess. . .. . .

    Passive but still against the law

    Rocket River
     
    #24 Rocket River, Jul 1, 2003
  5. Rocket River

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    How many MORE of these may be made because of Drugs?
    Or are you a one drug guy . . .just Mary Jane? Why stop there?

    Rocket River
     
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  6. goophers

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    Oh, and just to clarify, you DIDN'T post what you said (the timeline). Sorry to interrupt this other thread. Carry on.
     
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  7. B-Bob

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    Because it's not especially harmful to the user (especially when in brownies instead of pipes), and because it's less addictive than alcohol. Because most other illegal substances are addictive, harmful, and more easily linked to violent crime.

    Good luck creating a stronger link between pot and violence than between booze and violence.

    And by the way, I don't use or like hippy lettuce. I just think the laws are ridiculous.
     
    #27 B-Bob, Jul 1, 2003
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    My personal belief is that we could drastically reduce or eliminate ALL drug use by minors with a TIGHTLY regulated market for adults. In addition, over time we could reduce the numbers of adults using the most dangerous drugs through education and treatment of adults.

    It will probably start with MJ, though.
     
    #28 GladiatoRowdy, Jul 1, 2003
  9. Rocket River

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    I agree . . . . .
    But I just always envision so doped out doctor trying to remember if he is doing heart surgery or just removing a tomur off my arm.
    *shiveR*

    Rocket River
    don't like doctors much . . . NO NO NOT THE 35 YR OLD CHECK UP!!!!
     
    #29 Rocket River, Jul 1, 2003
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    I think pot should be controlled more tightly than alcohol. Every job I have EVER had had a policy against drinking on the job and it should be just the same for pot.

    I know several pot smokers and I would not want them to operate heavy equipment WHEN HIGH, which is why their employers have policies against drinking and using drugs on the job.

    Department of Health and Human services would be more appropriate.

    I don't like the term "legalize" because people start thinking of the drug war propaganda where the government mentions selling drugs in vending machines.

    I like the term "regulate" because that is what we do with dangerous items (guns, knives), chemicals (Valium, Oxycontin, Morphine), and procedures (abortion).

    I think you should have to attend a class to get a license to purchase drugs and you should have to use the drugs behind closed doors. Use in public would, rightfully, be a ticketable offense and would draw a fine. This way, the only people going to jail for it would be people who use in public and then don't pay their tickets.
     
    #30 GladiatoRowdy, Jul 1, 2003
  11. pgabriel

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    Then I guess you have no problem with the drunk doctor?? That's the problem with the doped out doctor or pilot argument. Personally if I had to choose, and I would prefer sober, but I'd rather my doctor be high on mar1juana than drunk. But neither would be a good situation.
     
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  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    Which is just as likely today with alcohol. For that matter, if he is a doctor, he can get Valium, Oxycontin, Darvoset, Morphine, etc.
     
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  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    Agreed, which is why there is such a thing as a MALPRACTICE SUIT. Regulating drugs will not result in everyone in the country being high all the time all of a sudden. That is a myth perpetuated by "reefer madness" prohibitionists.
     
    #33 GladiatoRowdy, Jul 1, 2003
  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I never said we do or should put traffic offenders in jail. The sherrif's quote starts out "What kind of peace officer, what kind of society would allow a peace officer to use one minute of time, spend one dollar, OR use any jail cell..." He did not say AND.

    Read his quote. If I am "prone" to silly arguments, then he is "prone" to ridiculous quotes since he says "use one minute, spend one dollar".

    Also, you started this post as well as another with respect to the mar1juana argument. You now seem to have branched out to making cocaine O.K. Where does it stop with you? Should all drugs be legal (in order to regulate, things MUST be legal). Should we NOT go after cocaine users? How about heroin? How about LSD? How about crack?
     
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  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You don't like the term legalize, but that is what you are doing. It is legal for me to own a gun or knife. It is legal for a woman to get an abortion (for the most part). It is legal to use the drugs you cite with a prescription.

    You are suggesting making the drugs legal under certain conditions. (attending class, getting a license). What should we do about those who want to smoke crack but don't want to bother attending a class or getting a license?
     
    #35 bobrek, Jul 1, 2003
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    OK, then we spend the time and money to take unsafe drivers off the street so that they don't run down innocent people. How many innocent lives has the drug war claimed?

    Cocaine is most decidedly NOT OK. It is one of the most dangerous chemicals in existance and yet we don't have the first clue how much of it is used in this country every year.

    We can reduce or eliminate cocaine use by kids in the short term with a regulated market for adults and in the long term we can reduce adult usage with education and treatment.
     
    #36 GladiatoRowdy, Jul 1, 2003
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    We don't sell them anything. If they are an adult, they have a mechanism for acquiring what they want, obviating the need to go to criminals. Once the criminals lose the black market for adults, the black market collapses if we send people to jail for selling to kids.

    They will think twice if the first offense is a year (with no parole because there won't be overcrowding), the second offense is 5 years, and the third is 10 years.

    Why would someone go to a criminal to acquire something which they can acquire from legitimate businesspeople in a regulated market?
     
    #37 GladiatoRowdy, Jul 1, 2003
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    It happens all the time with guns.

    Perhaps they don't want it known that they use drugs. Perhaps they are afraid their employer would find out.
     
    #38 bobrek, Jul 1, 2003
  19. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    then why did you respond this way?

    I wrote: "While that is a mighty impressive quote the following could also be said:

    What kind of peace officer, what kind of society would allow a peace officer to use one minute of time, spend one dollar, or use any jail cell for a cocaine user when vicious child murderers are on the loose? "



    You replied: "Agreed. It works just as well for that one. "
     
    #39 bobrek, Jul 1, 2003
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    Actually, it doesn't happen all that much with guns if you discount the ones related to prohibition (gangs, mafia, etc.).

    As far as the employer, how would they find out if purchase information was classified as healthcare information?
     
    #40 GladiatoRowdy, Jul 1, 2003
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