Ref, I never said they employed the exact same tactics. They don't run ads with naked people, but they sometimes run ads with pictures of dead fetuses. And sometimes they shove dead fetuses in people's faces. And occasionally one of them kills a doctor. And again, I'm not placing a judgement on any of this here. That's not what this thread's about. It's about whether or not extreme tactics are mutually exclusive to passionate beliefs based in ethics, which I just think is a bit of a silly idea. Most often, extreme tactics in these cases are rooted in the strength of those ethics, whether or not you find the tactics themselves to be unethical. That's all I was saying.
I was just as appalled when a pro-life group had murals depicting dead fetuses in graphic detail. My point is that some things are just not necessary. And others actually detract from the message rather than enhance it. Most people lose sight of the fact that the people at the head of non-profits still make a damn nice living.
pictures speak louder than words...i don't see anything wrong with this picture. i personally don't pretend to have a right to not be offended. if this is truth, let it be shown...submit it to the jury and let it go to the weight of the evidence, in geeky lawyer terms.
I do not exactly agree with you on the issue but I do agree with your comparison. Both groups do use similar tactics. However, I can't say that I recall a crazy PETA-ite saving the animals by killing a Butcher . And I have seen some Pro-Life adds with naked babies in them. That should count, unless the Pro-Choice faction is now claiming that babies, like fetus', cannot be classified as people . CK
I'd like to make a 403 objection, Your Honor. The prejudicial effect of this evidence outweighs its probative value.
Gotcha. The quote is real, as is the first part of the explanation. The picking up chicks part was just implied .
I'm in the middle ground on furs. I won't wear or buy any fur item simply because it's wasteful. At least with a leather jacket or boots, you know that most of the cow is being used for food. Besides, there is some great looking artificial fur that looks and feels just like the real thing. The difference between real leather and that vinyl pleather crap is not even funny... There is NO substitute for real leather!
Bud Light salutes Mr. Male Fur Coat Wearer.... A guy who spent more on his coat than he did on his car. He has a look all his own and it's full on furtastic.
Is there anyway of knowing if that fox is even real? With special effects the way they are now, that could easily be a very convincing prop. I love meat by the way. I mean I really love meat. Whether it's a big hamburger, a juicy steak, or a ham and turkey club, I can't get enough. But I guess I'm a hypocrite because I side with PETA most of the time. Do they try hard to get people's attention? Yes. Is there anything wrong with that? Not in this country. By the way, Pam Anderson was the girl and she may have been naked, but she wasn't exposing anything that you didn't see on Baywatch. Anyways, I think we should stop arguing because it's pretty obvious that most of us agree here. We dislike extremist. These ads aren't extreme, people from PETA blowing up a building where fur coats are made, that's extreme just like blowing up an abortion clinic is. Is seeing huge pictures of aborted fetuces disgusting(I hate when they do that here at A&M)? Yes, but they are trying to prove a point. An abortion doesn't just cancel a pregnancy, there is a result and those pictures are meant to show people what happens. It's supposed to be shocking. It shocks people who would think about getting an abortion into changing their mind. Same thing with the PETA ad. If you buy a fur coat, you never really think about who had to give up something for your coat. This ad shows you what happens to an animal that his given up it's fur. What's worse, nothing else is used. The fur is taken and the rest of the animal goes to waste. Anyways, if you don't want to look at a shocking ad, just turn away. By the way, can we all agree that those British fox hunts are ridiculous? One tiny fox being chased by a group of elitists with guns, on horses, and with a killer crew of hounds; that's just wrong man.
I don’t think PETA has had much of a profile in Canada, until today that is. This, I thought, was extremely inappropriate. http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/13/peta021113 On a lighter note: I think I’ve got a slogan for you. All we are saaaaaying, is give peas a chance! -The Arrogant Worms, from the song Carrot Juice is Murder edit: here's the whole song listen up brothers and sisters come hear my desperate tale i speak of our friends of nature trapped in the dirt like a jail vegetables live in oppression, served on our tables each night this killing of veggies is madness, i say we take up the fight salads are only for murderers, coleslaw's a fascist regime don't think that they don't have feelings, just cause a radish can't scream Chorus: i've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream) watching their skins being peeled (having their insides revealed) grated and steamed with no mercy (burning off calories) how do you think that feels (that it hurts really bad) Carrot juice constitutes murder (and that's a real crime) Greenhouses prisons for slaves (let my vegetables go) it's time to stop all this gardening (it's dirty as hell) let's call a spade a spade (is a spade is a spade is a spade) I saw a man eating celery, so i beat him black and blue if he ever touches a sprout again, i'll bite him clean in two i'm a political prisonner, trapped in a windowless cage cause i stopped the slaughter of turnips by killing five men in a rage i told the judge when he sentenced me "this is my finest hour" i'd kill those farmers again just to save one more cauliflower Chorus how low as people do we dare to stoop, making young broccolis bleed in the soup untie your beans, uncage your tomatoes let potted plants free, don't mash that potato oh spare the spud! Eat a cow instead! I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream) watching their skins being peeled (fates in the stir-fry are sealed) grated and steamed with no mercy (you fat gourmet slob) how do you think that feels (leave them out in the field) Carrot juice constitutes murder (V8's genocide) greenhouses prisons for slaves (yes, your composts are graves) it's time to stop all this gardening (take up macrame) let's call a spade a spade (is a spade, is a spade, is a spade, is a spade......) Power to the peas! Give peas a chance! all we are saying, is give peas a chance
OVERRULED!! just because something is objectionable doesn't mean that the prejudicial effect SUBSTANTIALLY outweighs its probative value...otherwise we'd never have autopsy photos in the courtroom! The point PETA is trying to prove is not simply that animals are mistreated...but that their mistreatment is horrific. A picture of a skinned animal does that.
I'd like to preserve my point of error for appeal Your Honor. BTW...you look ridiculous in that black dress...errr...I mean "robe."
Gee, MadMax, TheFreak and I agreeing on something. If you guys can keep a secret, I'll concede that it was something confrontatlionist that made me stop and concede that abortion is what it is... and that people deny what it 'is' are liars or morons. (oops, not that subject again)
my point exactly...we tend to gloss over these issues because we don't face them day to day...we turn to demagoguery (spelling?) and cathcy phrases while never seeing the real effects... and then someone shows you a picture of some suffering animal...or an aborted baby...and you're forced to confront the reality...and then you have more information to test your own beliefs with. why is that a bad thing? again...you do not have a right to not be offended.
