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New Orlando GM Interview - Talks about Francis & McGrady

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Deuce, Jun 23, 2004.

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  1. Clutch

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    I want to add also that this is a REBUILDING team, and they want to do this after the draft? AFTER? Doesn't that limit the Magic in some of the things they could do? Doesn't it potentially hurt the Suns' offer, for example? What good is the 7th pick of the draft to the Magic if they haven't told the Suns who to take? Maybe they would be happy with the same player the Suns would take, but that's not usually the case.

    I think the deal with Houston will happen ..... when is anybody's guess.
     
    #41 Clutch, Jun 23, 2004
  2. Deuce

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    Clutch, maybe the Magic would do the Suns deal contingent on who is AVAILABLE at #7. Let's say Ben Gordon. If Gordon is there then the Suns pick him and he is part of the package. Then after the draft the trade is made. But if Gordon isn't there at #7 then perhaps the Magic aren't interested. Perhaps it all lies on who is there? The same could be said if there is a 3rd team involved with the Rockets/Magic. If the Magic pass on Francis for a pick and a player. Let's say to Washington for Arenas and #5 for example. The Magic might wait to see who is there before they make the trade.

    I really think a 3rd team is involved here. And perhaps that third team needs to unload salary to make things work. That's why we keep hearing about other teams need to structure their salary and need to wait until AFTER the draft before they can make moves.
     
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    Clutch, I hope you are right.
     
    #43 Austin70, Jun 23, 2004
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    The number 7 stuff makes sense, but I don't think the pick at #1 matters. If they're basing who they take at the #1 on who they get for TM and if they know who CHA wants, couldn't they just pick CHA's guy, wait for the trade to finish up (however it goes), then, based on whether Howard or Okafor fits better with the guys they get in trade, either keep the one they took or swap rights with CHA for the other guy?

    Glad to hear you still think it's on.
     
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    Maybe they told the Suns who to take, and a potential deal with the Suns is riding on whether that player is still available at #7? And if that player is not available, no dice for the Suns?

    Could they be that high on one particular player in the draft?
     
    #45 Jebus, Jun 23, 2004
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    I don't know why, but I am pessimistic now. We might be toast :(.
     
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    Damn, you beat me to it and you had a more in depth theory, and explained it better. Jerk. :p

    And to SJC in the post above - I feel like we're definitely toast. And I want to jump on a plane to Orlando and personally kick Weisbrod's ass.
     
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    Also, can't Arn Tellum put an end to this by calling Phoenix (and the other six teams) and saying there is no way T-Mac will resign with them? Will PHO really pay Marion, a pick and maybe Johnson to rent an all-star for a year?
     
    #48 Batman Jones, Jun 23, 2004
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    The Suns trade can't be finished because Suns already traded last year's pick.
    A team can't trade two consecutive first-round picks. But after the draft,
    they can trade the drafted player. I say Suns still has a lot of chance.

    I wouldn't put too much hope on the TMAC sweepstakes especially we are
    facing an ******* GM.
     
    #49 snowmt01, Jun 23, 2004
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    A good point! Then Phoenix would have to just roll the dice and hope it worked out. That is a tough sell for them. Would they risk it?
     
    #50 Deuce, Jun 23, 2004
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    Chad Ford says they should, so I guess they will.
     
    #51 Jebus, Jun 23, 2004
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    Could someone tell me how the Rockets just traded their last two first rounders and Phoenix can't do the same?
     
    #52 Da Man, Jun 23, 2004
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    Well it seems like thats what they like to do:

    Nash
    Kidd
    Barkley
    Hardaway (injury)
    McDyess (injury)
    Marbury

    They had all these guys, all-stars, hall of famers, and what does the organization have say for themselves. McGrady would be wise to say he doesn't want to play for that organization, they seem to just want the "stars" at the time, but aren't willing to go further than that.
     
    #53 gucci888, Jun 23, 2004
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    McGrady may not re-sign, but one of the possible suitors may convince him to void the opt-out clause in his contract.
     
    #54 gunn, Jun 23, 2004
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    you might be right if Joe Johnson is included in the deal...
     
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    Hey, is there a solid quote or leaked quote (not media conjecture) from TMac that he only wants to go to Houston?
     
    #56 Easy, Jun 23, 2004
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    Good theory. The trade doesn't go from "being done after expansion draft" to "nothing before the draft" for nothing. I have a feeling that Weisbrod has something up his sleeve.

    But I don't like the way this guy is handling the situation. Saying Houston is the reason why Francis is mad and saying that no deal was ever imminent is ridiculous. CD wouldn't tell players they are going to be traded if the deal wasn't close enough, period.
     
    #57 gucci888, Jun 23, 2004
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    I agree! That's a good point! I mean look what they did with Marbury! They just shucked him off because of financial reasons. Not the kind of message to send to a Top 5 player to come there and know they are going to build for the long haul. Not very stable
     
    #58 Deuce, Jun 23, 2004
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    Actually, I now remember the trading multiple 1st rounder rule. A team can trade consecutive first rounders to different teams as the Rockets just proved that. But you can't trade consecutive first rounders in the same deal, ala Webber for Penny and Webber for Gugliotta. In both cases, it was Webber for the opposing player and 3 first rounders, spaced out by every other year.
     
    #59 Da Man, Jun 23, 2004
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    Good point...I really hope you're wrong...

    Phoenix had two 1st round picks last year...one was acquired from the Spurs, but what about #17???
     
    #60 rocksolid, Jun 23, 2004
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