I have said at least twice that I don't condone advocating anyone's suicide. Sisher has done the same. Plenty of other people have done the same.
No, I'm serious. I need a partner anyway. I don't really know of another way to settle an apparent BBS blood feud which has spiralled out of control without my knowing. I told gwaynie that I was sorry, and he retaliated in kind many times over, over the entire YEAR PLUS since that occurred, which culminated in the vilest thing I've read on this board: that my mother was a crackwhore who should have aborted me. The time leading up to that, I and the rest of us were treated to these gems, all courtesy of gwayneco: Aside: I think making fun of people on a BBS is one thing, but insulting their family who aren't involved in it is another; that's just me though I've gotten into nasty pissing matches with hayesstreet/bigtexxx/giddyup/others, but nobody has had the same reaction to insults that were probabaly far worse. Not really sure how else to squash the feud. But yeah S-chang - we can go - but NO takedowns, judoka-boy!
I don't know what you mean about "your crowd" when I've been telling one of the most leftists posters on this board essentially the same thing and for that matter even agreed that Sam's Seppuku comment was out of line. If you would step back a little from the angry persecuted conservative persona you've got going you will find that nearly all of the posters, conservative, liberal or whatever are civil.
I don't know what you and Gwayneco's history is so I'm not going to go around saying well one of you started it. I know its sucks to feel like you're being viciously insulted but sometimes its just better to walk away than respond in kind. There is an ignore function. I don't mean to come off as some mother hen or civility cop (that's Deckard's job) but the D & D just seems so boorish lately where it seems like poster are more interested in insulting each other than debating the issues. Plus I know this is Clutch and Jeff's cyber territory and if they want to close it down they can. I would rather not give them the excuse to do so. No problem. I've been working on standing chokes and joint locks.
It is hard to believe that anyone would be anything other than civil to gwayneco. Come on you leftie priicks we need to patrol ourselves better.
Why are we so worried about name-calling amongst ourselves on an internet forum when there are much more serious things going on in Iraq? Victim's Brother Speaks: New Evidence Undermines U.S. Iraq Claims Iraqi Anger Builds Amid New Details of Civilian Deaths and Clearing of U.S. Forces at Ishaqi June 5, 2006 — - New evidence may suggest cover-ups in two separate incidents at the center of a simmering scandal over Iraqi civilian deaths at the hands of American forces. Iraqi anger is percolating over the incidents, and over an investigation that cleared U.S. forces in a third case. A brother of a victim, Hashim Ibrahim Awad Abass, in Al Hamadania, Iraq, told ABC News today that Marines killed his brother needlessly. According to the victim's brother, Marines came to his family's village at 2 a.m. on April 25 and first raided a home, where they discovered a shovel and an AK-47. They then went to his brother's house, dragged him into the street, arrested him and took him away. A little while later, Abass' brother heard gunfire outside the village. Waking up at the crack of dawn, he rushed to the police department to report his brother missing. Abass told ABC News the police informed him that a body had been dropped off earlier by the Americans and that he should go and have a look. It was his brother, he said. Later that day, Marines came to the family home and dropped off the incident report. ABC News obtained a copy of the death report, which is written in Arabic on one side and English on the other. "We spotted a man digging on the side of the road from our ambush site," reads the statement. "I made the call and engaged. He was pronounced dead at the scene with only a shovel and AK-47," according to the statement. Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins, with another Marine acting as a witness, signed the death report. Eight Marines could face murder charges in the death of Abass, and other charges for possibly attempting to cover up the killing. Residents told ABC News over the weekend that a Marine sergeant had lied on an official report about the death of a civilian, saying the man appeared to be planting a bomb. But several Marines have confessed to dragging the man from his house, shooting him and putting a shovel and weapon next to his body. Two Cover-Ups? Al Hamdania is not the only incident the Pentagon is investigating. New pictures offer the first independent evidence that suggests Marines may have covered up what really happened in Haditha, Iraq, where 24 Iraqi civilians were killed in November. The pictures show a house pockmarked with bullet holes, despite the initial claim that a roadside bomb was responsible. And a new witness has come forward. Iman Waleed Abdul Hameed, a 9-year-old girl, said Marines killed her father, mother, brother, two uncles and grandmother. Local doctors said the dead included eight women and five children. "Most of the dead," said Dr. Waleed Abdul Khaliq al Obaidi, in Arabic, "were shot in the head and chest." The New York Times reported on Saturday that senior commanders learned the original Marine account was wrong two days after the incident last November but failed to act. The paper quoted an unnamed Marine general familiar with the investigation as saying, "It's impossible to believe they didn't know. You'd have to know this thing stunk." In both cases, investigators are focusing on whether higher-ups covered up the details. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, the man at the top of the Pentagon's chain of command, was in Asia today, pursued by questions about the allegations. "I've responded to that question repeatedly," Rumsfeld said, "and there is an investigation under way, and we'll see what the investigation produces." A military spokesman in Baghdad said the charges of misconduct are damaging the U.S. effort there. Three Marine officers have already been relieved of their commands because of the Haditha incident, and reports Saturday night indicated more senior officers may be disciplined even before the investigation is complete. U.S. Forces Cleared In a third case of alleged war crimes by American troops, however, the Pentagon has just closed its investigation and cleared the soldiers involved of any wrongdoing, saying the forces at Ishaqi in March 2005 were within their rules of engagement. But the incident in Ishaqi, where a dozen civilians were killed alongside a man the military identified as a terrorist bomb maker, seems far from a closed case on the Iraqi streets. Ordinary Iraqis say they are outraged, and they doubt that the U.S. will conduct a fair and thorough investigation. "The Arab reaction is a feeling of anger," said Sharif Nashashibi of Arab Media Watch. "It's that every time something like this happens, you get U.S. officials and British officials talking about a few rotten apples. And really, at this stage, the feeling is that the whole tree is rotten." Local police charge that American troops deliberately shot 11 civilians, including four women and five children, in an attack on a house, and then called in air support to bomb the building. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell IV, the chief military spokesman, denied the claims. "Allegations that the troops executed a family living in a safe house," he said, "and then hid the alleged crimes by directing an air strike, are absolutely false." 'They Killed Children' But that doesn't wash with one local man on the street. "The American soldiers didn't kill insurgents," the man said through a translator. "They killed children. Do you really think these children were carrying guns?" The Iraqi prime minister's office rejected the military report that exonerated American troops in Ishaqi, saying it was unfair. The Iraqi government will demand an apology and compensation. Earlier last week, Prime Minister Nouri Kamel al-Maliki said he was losing patience with the accidental killing of unarmed civilians by U.S. troops, saying, "There is a limit to mistakes." Nearly 2,500 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq in the past three years. With the daily threat of insurgent bombs, the troops are on edge for a reason. But Iraqis say they are terrified by U.S. troops on patrol or at checkpoints who can open fire if they believe they are "under threat." According to one police estimate, an innocent Iraqi civilian is killed by coalition forces every two days. "If you want to see their terrorism, you don't have to go to Haditha," said one man, named Jabur. "Just go out on the street. If you drive too close to them, you can get killed." ABC News' John Yang at the Pentagon and Hillary Brown in Baghdad reported this story for "World News Tonight." Matthew McGarry contributed additional reporting from Baghdad. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=2040930
Good point. You can usually tell the kind of day old Sammity Sam is having at work by the number of insults in his posts that day. I hold out hope for him, though. Recently he has shown some strides towards being a meaningful contributor on the board.
FB is one of the best posters in D&D and the most mature. You can choose to either understand or misunderstand his message, but don't disparage him if you choose to misunderstand again. (And fwiw, name-calling against someone who is so incredibly undeserving of it only reflects back on you)
Because it distracts from more serious issues. When a couple posters go at it it pretty much derails the thread from serious debate. Believe it or not some of us like to debate issues with those we might not agree with rather than just insult them.
I'm not sure what you mean by the "time leading up to that." All the responses you cite were after you dropped the suicide suggestion. You did that on 6-4-2005. The responses you cited have the following dates: 1. 10-2-05 2. 10-1-05 3. 9-30-05 4. 9-12-05 5. 8-9-05 6. 8-2-05 7. 7-25-05 Perhaps you meant the time leading up to my remark about your mother, a remark that was made long after you suggested I commit suicide. I regret the remark. I suspect you don't regret anything given your continued distorting of my username (ie gweenie, etc). You started that particular silliness a long time ago and continue to this point in time.
I meant the time leading up to your climactic final insult. Which was actually not final and a bit of an anti climax. Quite honestly, gweenco, what's amazing to me is that you're pansy enough to still be complaining about the seppuku remark years later. You're obviously on this forum to stir the pot and be a gnat, most of your threads are accuasations about people/groups and designed to lead to ugliness and strife, and you regularly make deliberately inflammatory remarks, and degenerate into the "you sack of ****" tone that you've made your trade mark. I People have been banned for far less, it's unfortunate that you managed to have flown under the radar. Anyway, that's why I have a hard time understanding why you think you can flame people like crazy on the internet and then act so wounded the second anybody responds in kind, and then b**** about it ceaselessly later on. Really, I don't know why you're even on this BBS in the first place as I've never seen you make a basketball related post. In fact, a search of the GARM forum for posts by "gwayneco" results in the following: So what ARE you doing here?
It was meant as a joke which obviously you don't comprehend. He has apologized and said he didn't REALLY want you to commit suicide. I on the other hand wish you would so that you would finally shut the **** up about it. God damn you are annoying. You are almost as bad as my ex wife about not getting over ****. Why do you even care what he thinks? Did he weally huht youh pwecious wittle feewings? My kids don't whine as much as you do.
