[New Info]CIA repeatedly warned Bush about Sept 11; Neocons put OBL on ignore list

SamFisher · Sep 11, 2012

new info from an op/ed in today's Times. - too bad we didn't know this in 2004...or 2000.

The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.

In response, the C.I.A. prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.

“The U.S. is not the target of a disinformation campaign by Usama Bin Laden,” the daily brief of June 29 read, using the government’s transliteration of Bin Laden’s first name. Going on for more than a page, the document recited much of the evidence, including an interview that month with a Middle Eastern journalist in which Bin Laden aides warned of a coming attack, as well as competitive pressures that the terrorist leader was feeling, given the number of Islamists being recruited for the separatist Russian region of Chechnya.
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Thx for your hard work, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Elliot Abrams!

Blake · Sep 11, 2012

This is clearly Obama's fault.

basso · Sep 11, 2012

i was wondering which of the execrable libs here would post this execrable bit of revisionism. i had hoped you'd all rise above it.

i am disappoint.

CometsWin · Sep 11, 2012

basso said: ↑

i was wondering which of the execrable libs here would post this execrable bit of revisionism. i had hoped you'd all rise above it.

i am disappoint.
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This board won't be governed by the truth err...

El_Conquistador · Sep 11, 2012

Clinton turned down Sudan's offer to hand over bin Laden in the late 90's. That's a fact. Much stronger than this speculation.

Sweet Lou 4 2 · Sep 11, 2012

basso said: ↑

i was wondering which of the execrable libs here would post this execrable bit of revisionism. i had hoped you'd all rise above it.

i am disappoint.
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3,000 people died. I think holding this fool accountable for ignoring SIX warnings is totally justified.

The only thing is you need to rise above your partisan robotic shtick for once.

Sweet Lou 4 2 · Sep 11, 2012

Trader_Jorge said: ↑

Clinton turned down Sudan's offer to hand over bin Laden in the late 90's. That's a fact. Much stronger than this speculation.
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Stop trying to spin the truth on this day man. It really makes me think less of you as a human being.

For once, show some respect. Do you not have any bounds of decency at all?

basso · Sep 11, 2012

Yesterday, Bill Keller of the times OKed Iran going nuclear, today they blame Bush for 9/11.

sad, and predictable.

mc mark · Sep 11, 2012

Can you freaks take a break for a day? Hell even the campaigns are pulling their ads today.

Show some ****ing respect.

SamFisher · Sep 11, 2012

basso said: ↑

i was wondering which of the execrable libs here would post this execrable bit of revisionism. i had hoped you'd all rise above it.

i am disappoint.
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Rise above what? Accountability? The national security apparatus failed miserably, due to top level priorities/politicis, despite having ample opportunity to not fail.

The evidence is pretty clear that when Condoleeza Rice was going over missile defense systems on the night of September 10, 2001, she had her eye on the wrong ball. As did the entire rest of the gang of morons in the months preceding, as this latest bit vallidates

Hell even after, when Cheney said the proper respponse to Sept 11 was to bomb Iraq, they still couldn't identify the threat. With a giant smokiing grave still burning.

Disgusting. And worse, they parleyed that into second term of misrule.

thats Y I SO MAD THO, if you were wondering.

FranchiseBlade · Sep 11, 2012

Trader_Jorge said: ↑

Clinton turned down Sudan's offer to hand over bin Laden in the late 90's. That's a fact. Much stronger than this speculation.
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I've burned you so many times with that baseless claim that for now I'm not even going to bother doing it again. It was fun when I did it the first time, but it's become tiresome.

The truth is that Sudan never made an offer to hand Bin Laden over. That's a fact.

droopy421 · Sep 11, 2012

I must have missed the part of the article where the CIA "repeatedly" warned about an attack on 9/11.

SamFisher · Sep 11, 2012

droopy421 said: ↑

I must have missed the part of the article where the CIA "repeatedly" warned about an attack on 9/11.
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Really? Did you read it? I didn't post the whole article in the excerpt because I figured it's worth the click. But it's pretty clear that starting in Spring of 01 (rather than just August as we previously thought) this was a major theme, that was ignored.

And the C.I.A. repeated the warnings in the briefs that followed. Operatives connected to Bin Laden, one reported on June 29, expected the planned near-term attacks to have “dramatic consequences,” including major casualties. On July 1, the brief stated that the operation had been delayed, but “will occur soon.” Some of the briefs again reminded Mr. Bush that the attack timing was flexible, and that, despite any perceived delay, the planned assault was on track.
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El_Conquistador · Sep 11, 2012

mc mark said: ↑

Can you freaks take a break for a day? Hell even the campaigns are pulling their ads today.

Show some ****ing respect.
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Um, are you aware of the premise of this thread? That the NYT would run a hit piece on Bush and the CIA on Sep 11th. Take a break for the day? Look in the mirror, clown boy!

wakkoman · Sep 11, 2012

mc mark said: ↑

Can you freaks take a break for a day? Hell even the campaigns are pulling their ads today.

Show some ****ing respect.
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Yeah, because attempts to score political points on this day sure shows a lot of respect.

droopy421 · Sep 11, 2012

SamFisher said: ↑

Really? Did you read it?
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Yes, it says a terror attack, not one on 9/11. So many times in years after 9/11 we were warned that a terror attack was imminent from the government and nothing happened. Hindsight is clearly 20/20, but you can't say that because they were warned something could happen that they knew exactly where and how. Unless said June 29th briefing detailed what would happen then that is a different story.

SamFisher · Sep 11, 2012

droopy421 said: ↑

Yes, it says a terror attack, not one on 9/11. So many times in years after 9/11 we were warned that a terror attack was imminent from the government and nothing happened. Hindsight is clearly 20/20, but you can't say that because they were warned something could happen that they knew exactly where and how. Unless said June 29th briefing detailed what would happen then that is a different story.
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Seriously, read the article before you make arguments that are addressed within:

In the aftermath of 9/11, Bush officials attempted to deflect criticism that they had ignored C.I.A. warnings by saying they had not been told when and where the attack would occur. That is true, as far as it goes, but it misses the point. Throughout that summer, there were events that might have exposed the plans, had the government been on high alert. Indeed, even as the Aug. 6 brief was being prepared, Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi believed to have been assigned a role in the 9/11 attacks, was stopped at an airport in Orlando, Fla., by a suspicious customs agent and sent back overseas on Aug. 4. Two weeks later, another co-conspirator, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota after arousing suspicions at a flight school. But the dots were not connected, and Washington did not react
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The big reveal here though isn't just stuff being ignored, which we already knew happened, the big reveal is 1) the extent and number of warnings that they ignored, and more importantly 2) the Bush Administrations was willfully looking for ways to discredit the intelligence about Al Qaeda in favor of ridiculous bullsh-t about Iraq.

F that doesn't piss you off then you aren't really holding them to a high enough standard.

mc mark · Sep 11, 2012

Trader_Jorge said: ↑

Look in the mirror, clown boy!
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**** off *******

droopy421 · Sep 11, 2012

SamFisher said: ↑

In the aftermath of 9/11, Bush officials attempted to deflect criticism that they had ignored C.I.A. warnings by saying they had not been told when and where the attack would occur. That is true, as far as it goes, but it misses the point. Throughout that summer, there were events that might have exposed the plans, had the government been on high alert. Indeed, even as the Aug. 6 brief was being prepared, Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi believed to have been assigned a role in the 9/11 attacks, was stopped at an airport in Orlando, Fla., by a suspicious customs agent and sent back overseas on Aug. 4. Two weeks later, another co-conspirator, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested on immigration charges in Minnesota after arousing suspicions at a flight school. But the dots were not connected, and Washington did not react
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Like I said hindsight is always 20/20.
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El_Conquistador · Sep 11, 2012

mc mark said: ↑

**** off *******
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Sorry for causing you to meltdown. You lose.

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