I'm sorry, but I was just making fun of you because you were so proud of your post. You thought you stumped everybody but the truth is that your point is so ridiculous, nobody really cared to respond. You were trying to tell No Worries that because he discounts a story from the Bible with science, that he would think that scientific achievements were impossible. Having faith in God is believing in him without having seen him. Did religious people believe that someday there would be an internal combustion engine before it was invented? Before somebody harnessed electricity, were there priests walking around telling people that someday there would be a power grid? Electricity was harnessed and generated and the person who did it first showed others what he did and they learned and that knowledge kept getting passed on so that other people could learn and improve upon it. Other people probably saw somebody like Nikola Tesla playing with electricity and thought he was a sorceror using evil powers gifted by the devil himself. So, if you and others believe that Noah's Ark really is up on that mountain, why don't you ask some scientists to excavate it? I'm sure they could work together to make an excavation of a site at that elevation....possible.
max, should christians be held to a higher standard? defending your stance is fine, but when you start trading barbs.. that's not very Christ-like is it? with non-believers, there's some of that antagonism, but.. WWJD? i think if you believe in something fully, you should have the utmost faith in that belief to take the high road, right? i've never heard christ resort to 'girlie' taunts in the new testament anywhere, unless it's in one of the books that were left out.. so far, manny and you have been really good representatives of christianity, but i'm wondering what kind of scriptures the others are reading...
you're already WAY too offended by the space.com ark story to find the emotional energy to be offended by something else.
Manny Ramirez taking high road of Christianity? Give me a break. I submit proof of evidence in the following thread on his unprovoked personal assault directed at me: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=105612&page=5&pp=20&highlight=Rigoberto+Alpizar Maybe he is born again now in Jesus Christ, but I could hardly feel the love just 3 months ago.
Well, I appreciate that. I've felt that I have failed so many times in my life of following what is so dear to me. Christianity like any other religion is very hard because it is always an on-going struggle. There are many things about it that it preaches that cause people to be uncomfortable, whether they are a Christian or not. And one of those is showing unconditional love even to those who want to stomp your guts out. Love is a very powerful thing, especially when it is done unconditionally.
That too!!! I am going to have to get myself together, before this whole Noah's Ark thing ruins my life.
I think we're missing the larger, more important question here: do scientists know what the hell is wrong with T-Mac's back? Can they figure it out? Or are we going to have to rely on the power of prayer to somehow magically heal him? Is there a religious reference to T-Mac's ailing back? Any prophecies?
Read my post right after the one I am quoting in this post. But you are right, wnes, I didn't have the greatest attitude in the world and I am not saying I always will. It is going to be a struggle for me until the day I die. But I do realize that there are a lot more important things in my life and God and Christ is #1 on that list. I have pretty much never agreed with anything you have said here, but that is no excuse for me to act the way I did towards you back then. If I truly offended you, all I can do is say I am sorry and ask for your forgiveness. But, guess what wnes? As a sinner, I am going to probably offend many other people in my life whether they are in real life or on this board. All I can do is say that I am sorry. It is like the apostle Paul said (I am paraphrasing here), "I know in my heart what I need to do which is God's will but I keep finding myself doing the things that are not in God's will." Paul might be the most dedicated Christian of all-time; if he has problems following God's will then I don't feel as bad if you follow what I am saying. All I can do is try to improve myself as a person and hopefully, I am a better person today than I was 3 months ago, wnes. I understand if you don't want to accept my apology but I hold no grudges against you or anyone else here. I just hope that I can continue to grow as a person until the day I die.
Ararfat? I know there is a Mt. Ararat in Turkey, and a good movie by the name of "Ararat" that highlights the Armenian genocide around WWI. I also know a small mt. by the name of Arafat in the holy city of Mecca, Saudi Arabia, where millions of Muslims each year go to perform the Hajj, or pilgrimage. Ararfat? Is it an offspring of Ararat and Arafat?
i think mm has tapped your sensitive underbelly as you feel the need to respond to each of his posts with an adamant denial. it's a double edged sword when someone comes in and ruins a thread with their babbling as you've done, but the fun part is watching you destroy rep defending a position only a troll could take. keep digging in those heels, you'll save the world from the far right space.com.........
Apology unnecessary but acknowledged and appreciated. Manny, I just want to let you know I don't mind debate at all but I don't like what I perceive as malicious personal attack without following up with substantative argument. In the past, I had issues with some posters here but with further exchanges I don't hold any grudges against them, and in some cases they become my favorite posters - Nolen is one such example. I read many of posts of yours and I found you were an otherwise reasonable and amicable personality on CF.net. But to be honest I didn't take your attack of me in that particular thread very lightly. In any case, you have indeed taken a high road this time and let me also be the one to say (quite embarrassingly) we shall put what happened behind us.
What I find amusing is how anyone could possibly be offended by my previous statement. If you don't have any faith, my saying you are going to Hell should mean absolutely nothing. After all, to you there is no such place. If you are offended, maybe you need to search a little deeper into your feelings, and find out whether you really might have a little faith yourself. Yeah, that's right. (hey, I do look a little like him.)
wnes, I appreciate your post very much. I joined here in late July 2001 (although I always thought it was August 1) and I have worked hard to tone things down. I found it was so easy to hide behind a keyboard and act belligerent, but in person, I really would be the last person to want a confrontation! I had taken you off ignore several months ago (probably a week after I said I was putting you on it) and I have noticed that your posts are a lot gentler and not as "in your face" (SamFisher is another poster that I have noticed that is like that). It is okay for us to not agree on things, but I am with you - malicious personal attacks have no business being here. If I ever meet you, I owe you a beer, pal.
