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New Evidence of Something Positive in Iran?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CreepyFloyd, Jun 4, 2006.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
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  2. CreepyFloyd

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    why do you keep on responding? nobody is forcing you to respond you bitter old man...case closed since an anonymous opinion piece was posted from the wsj...haha...everybody is evil unless they're a client state of the us
     
  3. DaDakota

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    Can't stop the truth, Creepy, maybe it is time for you to go back to that country you love so well. Iran will welcome you with open arms, as long as you believe what they do, of course.

    Just don't speak your mind......
     
  4. CreepyFloyd

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    Just keep on responding to me like a pavlovian dog...where my dogs at?
     
  5. DaDakota

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    I think I will keep on posting, as this is America and we are free to do that, even when myopic losers like you try to shout us down.

    Back to Iran for you, little man.

    And you have no dogs here.

    :)

    DD
     
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  6. CreepyFloyd

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    Pavlov would be proud at the way you salivate and respond to my posts on command like a good little doggie....keep it up....don't prove me and Pavlov wrong
     
  7. DaDakota

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    And how does this pertain to the thread? Is this all you can say about positives in Iran?
     
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    Pavlov, wherever he is, is smiling since his theory not only applies to dogs it applies to you too:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov

    This is so beautiful...keep it up
     
  9. HayesStreet

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    Your continual usage of this response is pavlovian. The idea of the forum is to have debate and discussions. That necessarily dictates that we respond to each other.
     
  10. Rashmon

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    Creepy, you do know the NSA is monitoring the internet and phone calls, right?
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Iran's 'Democracy'
    A rigged election, no reformist victory.

    Monday, June 20, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

    The most astonishing aspect of Friday's presidential vote in Iran is not that the elections will go into a second round but that Tehran managed to convince so many in the West that this is a real demonstration of democracy.

    All power is held by Supreme Leader Ali Khameni, his Council of Guardians and the small clique of military officers and businessmen around him. The Council disqualified more than 1,000 candidates before the election, vetting only contestants who support the regime's ideological lines. The example of outgoing "reformist" President Mohammad Khatami, who presided over eight years of economic decline and worsening repression, has proven that the President cannot change anything against the Council's will.

    The one number worth parsing in Friday's election is that of voter participation. Many Iranians had called for a boycott as the only way of showing resistance. Knowing this, the mullahs seem to have taken their usual election manipulations to another level. Intimidation by the Revolutionary Guards and the fact that proof of voting is needed for certain jobs and welfare payments have always pushed up turnout. Still, voter participation has steadily declined in the past few years to barely 50%.

    But this time turnout was 62.7%, exactly the level Supreme Leader Khameni had predicted. "Something is fishy here," Patrick Clawson, who follows Iran for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told us. Contradicting all reports about the mood in the country ahead of the vote, hard-line candidates received unprecedented support, while the main reformist candidate, Mustafa Moin, came in fifth. Mr. Moin also suggested the elections were rigged, but since the regime allows no neutral observers the real extent of fraud or Iranian discontent can't be known.





    The runoff election will now have former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani facing hard-line Tehran Mayor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who surprised Western observers by finishing second. Neither man is a moderate in any Western sense. Mr. Rafsanjani stood by the late Ayatollah Khomeini from the first day of the Iranian revolution and was in power as Iran promoted international terror and rounded up political prisoners. He is also the father of Iran's nuclear program and openly mused in 2001 that the Islamic world would need only one nuclear bomb to destroy Israel.
    The temptation will be strong, especially in Europe, to consider Mr. Rafsanjani to be the regime's "pragmatist" and someone who can be trusted to agree to end Iran's uranium enrichment program in return for the right "economic incentives." But it's more accurate to read these election results as the regime's attempt to tighten its control and to present a united, hard-line front as it sprints to develop the bomb under cover of the talks.



    Here is the article from the link above.


    Writing in The Wall Street Journal last week, Shirin Ebadi, the Iranian Nobel Peace laureate, warned the West against offering any concessions to the regime, urging Europe and the U.S. instead to help Iran's democracy movement by highlighting Iran's human rights violations. One day before the vote, President Bush finally reached out to the Iranian people:
    "Today, Iran is ruled by men who suppress liberty at home and spread terror across the world. Power is in the hands of an unelected few who have retained power through an electoral process that ignores the basic requirements of democracy. . . . And to the Iranian people, I say: As you stand for your own liberty, the people of America stand with you." Unfortunately, Iranians are still waiting to hear from Europe.
     
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    ^is this bias piece supposed to prove something other than a weak attempt on your part to attack the legitimacy of the iranian government...we don't even know who wrote it...an anonymous op-ed peice from the wsj has no credibility in my view
     
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    It certainly isn't anymore biased than an official release from the Iranian government, lol. That really doesn't have any credibility.
     
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    As far as the 1st article I posted, the name of the official making the statement was at least available...the name of the author or the organization that wrote this piece and who is making all these serious allegations isn't even provided

    Now the 2nd article I posted was from a UN report, which is much more credible than this piece of propaganda
     
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    Whoa! This thread has gone to hell! :eek:
     
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    More democracy in the mollahs theocracy.

    http://www.iranvajahan.net/english/

    Also read the article about khomenies grandson calling the islamic republic a tottal dictatorship.
     
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    ^^^^^^ The way the attacked elderly woman is nothing short of criminal. i wonder how our local mollah resident will spin this?.... associated press is a reputable news source.
     
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    this is propaganda Blazer!
    and Iran didnt lose to mexico either!
    its the evil American Media! they lie! they lie!
    Those women weren't beaten! they were simply at the mosh pitt of Slipnot concert when they were in town!
     
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    LOL hear no evil, see no evil. even khomenies own grandson calls the mollahs a tottal dictatorship. there own grandsons are turning against them. shows the amount od distain which exsist against the mollahs. i've seen it first hand. in the last 5 years, i've been to iran 4 times. the hatered which exsists in the society towards the mollahs will take you're breath away. if there was a viable opposition in place, people would have revolted years ago. iranian opposition groups cant put there differences aside.
     
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    Now i see why clutch opened what he did. Anyone who disrespects a very valued and intelligent member like DaDakota in such manner, deserves all it's coming towards him.
     

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