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New Evidence Against Iran?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by HayesStreet, Jun 4, 2006.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    You know what I think?

    I think any country that wants nuclear weapons has a right to develop them.

    I also think that other nations have a right to refuse to do business or to put devestating economic sanctions on that country.

    However, my bigger belief is that nuclear weapons are something that will destroy the world, and can never be used.

    Though, I think nuclear power plants should be utilized more often.

    DD
     
  2. glynch

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    Thank God for President Bush, a good Christian man. It has been over three years since we have a new war. I was afraid that Christian American was starting to get morally flabby and soft. Granted, we have been threatening to invade or drop nukes on them Eyeranians almost constantly , but that just won't cut it. Jesus is monitoring our actions, not just our talk. Didn't He say the road to hell is paved with good intentions? Thank God for President Bush.

    Hayes, will the war with Iran be as worthwhile as the civil war that seems to be happening in Iraq?

    In another thread it was mentioned that life expectancy is up in Iran. Thank God this will go back down once the war starts.

    Is it time for yellow ribbons for Iran? Don't get me wrong. I support President Bush and his wars as much as the next Christian, but I just don't know how much longer you can expect the American population to sacrifice so much. These decals are expensive. Can we just have generic yellow ribbons so that we can reuse them as new wars are started? It is getting to be quite a sacrifice to have to buy new yellow ribbons each time we start another war. Another sacrifice is that every time we start another war, we have to devote part of the Super Bowl half time to it and it sometime displaces other acts. On the other hand American Idol has finished for at least awhile and we could use another war on the tube-- especially since it is the off season for many of the series.

    Don't get me wrong I still support our wars, wherever, whenever, and why ever. God bless America and President Bush.
     
  3. tinman

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    I think any country with a 'SUPREME LEADER' is not a good country.
    Bush can't win another election, like him or not.

    Iran has a terrible military (look at the IRAN-IRAQ war), so thats why they support terrorism.

    The SUPREME LEADER sent his followers against Saddam's army armed with only Korans. They lost 20,000 men.

    Only in Iran do you have people that brainwashed.
     
  4. Doctor Robert

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    Nuclear power is not an answer for self sufficiency. Including speculative uranium deposits, they would only be able to fuel 7 proposed nuclear reactors with domestic uranium for less than 10 years. Afterwards, they would be dependent on foreign sources.

    Seeking nuclear weapons as a national defense is a game of dice. The rhetoric is downright frightening and it is hard to see how Iran will benefit in the long run from forcing it.
    About the denial of technology, Iran's fate has been affected by outside forces, but that is only a part of why it is hasn't accomplished what it wants. Take one major reason... half the population (women) are a completely untapped resource. The employment rate for women has hovered at 10% for the last 50 years. Of those, 65% work for the education ministry. Six times more men work than women, and the unemployment rate of women is double that of men. In Iran, 86% of men are literate, and only 73% of women are.
     
  5. geeimsobored

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    Iran forfeited its "right" to nuclear weapons when it signed the NPT. It's a non-issue now. Either they withdraw from the treaty and show their true intentions, or submit to full inspections and transparency and answer international pressure.

    Nuclear weapons are a dangerous game. We can't just rely on the logic of "well, we survived this long with nuclear weapons, therefore deterrence works." It assumes that all nations are rational entities and each new nation that acquires weapons means a greater risk of a nation that doesn't follow the rules of rational behavior. Considering the sheer destructive power of these weapons, we can't just toy around and must adopt an absolute conservative approach.

    Nuclear power on the other hand, for some nations, is extremely important and much of the stigma and fear around it is highly irrational.
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    Iran has a right to nuclear power but they don't have a right to make nuclear weapons. They gave up those rights in exchange for security and international standing.

    Given recent developments into heavy water nuclear plants and pebble bed reactors, you do not need to enrich fissile uranium to produce nuclear power. Plus it significantly reduces the chances of a meltdown compared to traditional light water reactors.
     
  7. HayesStreet

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    I wonder why you waste your time. I won't reciprocate.
     
  8. CreepyFloyd

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    thats hillarious glynch

    he's elected like every other leader in iran

    the ahmadinejad and khomeini quotes are both mistranslations:

    original speech in persian...http://www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches/1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm

    links on the exact translation of the speech and quote...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-scher/the-importance-of-cole-v_b_20350.html
     
  9. bobrek

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    I'm not a Persian scholar, so I'll accept it is a controversial translation. It doesn't affect my actual comments, so I shouldn't have included it in the first place.
     
  11. tigermission1

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    Well I guess according to Stack, you can through marriage. Now if I wanted to obtain the Israeli citizenship, I would have a tougher time at it, I can't even marry me a nice, wholesome Israeli girl and hope to get the citizenship...unless may be I convert to Judaism.
     
  12. HayesStreet

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    Don't worry about it. There was a whole thread on this particluar issue and there is no doubt he was calling for the obliteration of Israel. If you're really interested your can search it up, but rest assured creepy's attempt to make you indirectly deny the point is exaggerated.
     
  13. glynch

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    Hayes, quit avoiding the question. Can the war with Iran be as worthwile as you speculate the civil war in Iraq will be?

    So far those fiendish (is there any other type?) Iranians have managed to stifle all neo-con attempts to create a civil war there. Hell, the loyal defenders of democracy, Bush, Cheney, Rice and Bolton, sadly without Powell and Wolfowitz and other lovers of democracy, have had to set up another office in the Pentagon like the Iraq one to fix intelligence and do special ops, yet so far the Iranians have thwarted its democracy work, aided of course by the Chi-Coms and the Ruskies, who are a dictatorship in the making this year.

    Is there any hope that once the US attacks Iran we can still manage to turn it into a worthwhile civil war, too?

    After all, as you note so convincingly , the US had the Civil War and other countries have enjoyed the fruits of their civil wars, so why should Iraq be deprived of the opportunity for civil war.
     
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    There is great doubt that
    the Iranian leader actually called for the obliteration of Israel. I suggest looking at juancole.com a noted professor of Middle Eastern Studies who can actually read Persian. He is not reliant on the mistranslations and agenda of the neo-cons to "fix" "intelligence" around provoking a US- Iranian War. Nor does have to rely on the sloppy journalism that merely quotes the neocons.

    I would think the deceptions leading up to the Iraq War would serve as a warning about the dangers of relying exclusively on the neocons and sloppy mainstream journalism.
     
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    I know almost nothing about heavy water nuclear plants and pebble bed reactors but just wondering how available or technologically feasible is this sort of technology? Is it likely that countries like Iran don't have the technical feasibility to build such reactors and if so why haven't any of the nuclear technology deals offered to Iran and North Korea not involved building them reactors using those technologies?
     
  16. bobrek

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    Iran has been offered a "light-water" nuclear reactor by the EU (Britain, France and Germany) in 2005 and either has been or will be offered the same this year. Apparently (according to Iran) the 2005 offer was not specific enough. This year's offer was (or will be) more specific.
     
  17. HayesStreet

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    Glynch, do you still beat your wife? I'll refrain from answering such poorly written attempts to create strawmen out of my words.

    Lol, uh - no. Juan Cole's imperious opinion was thoroughly debunked in that same thread. If you want to know about the issue read the thread, there is little room for doubt on the issue. Glynch and Creepy both had their say there, so no need to rehash it here.
     
  18. CreepyFloyd

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    what an eloquent person...i'm sure everybody will give you a pass on this as well no matter what your intentions were when you said it

    the scholar of persian language and literature has spoken
     
  19. No Worries

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    The problem Iran has with the US is that they don't believe us either. Would anybody be surprised if W in the height of the 2006 midterm elections drops a few bombs on Iran to bolster Republican chances? Just remember if only Saddam had disarmed we would have never invaded!!!
     
  20. HayesStreet

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    Step back, son. You're in over your head. I was making a point that he'd constructed a strawman version of my opinions and then asked me to answer questions based on that flawed premise. It's best you stay at the kids table.

    As I previously indicated, this was thoroughly hashed out in the other thread. You had plenty to say in that thread on the subject so one would think you could let your own words speak for themselves.
     

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