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Nets considering DMo offer

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mikeyharris, Dec 1, 2016.

  1. Vivi

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    That's basically the worst (for us) contract they can realistically give D.Mo so probably that's what he'll sign lol

    Btw good post, i actually think this is a realistic possibility, it's true that we don't have the picks, but Boston for example don't have the front court players to trade to the Kings. And maybe the Kings don't even care about picks, i mean, in the end they're the same team which basically gifted one 1st rounder, a 1st rounder swap AND Stauskas to Hinkie just to dump Landry in order to free the cap space to sign Rondo (when they already had Collison) and who elee? Koufos or Belinelli? Eh...
     
  2. Vivi

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    I'd take Jefferson but they won't trade him in this situation imo.
     
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  3. Zoplicone

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    We will not trade for Cousins. I do think the Sacramento front office is pretty incompetent, but I assure you they know that they should be getting a lot more than anything we have to offer. We don't have lottery picks, we have Capela which is a good asset but nowhere near enough to get it done.
     
  4. Tom Bombadillo

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    Clint is definitely a decent piece towards landing Boogie, but I would imagine that we need to gather some more draft picks, similar to how we snagged the 12 for Kyle Lowry.

    Any deal would probably be along the lines of Clint/Ryno and picks I would imagine.
     
  5. Vivi

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    Cousins is also expiring next season, how much power he has right now in potential trade talks? Maybe not that much, but i guess no team is going to break the bank for him if they're not as sure as possible that he'll resign there...
    or maybe not? Lol
     
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  6. Chuck Nevitt

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    I would hope DMo would share the offer sheet with Morey before signing. That would give Morey the chance to offer the same money/ years, but to frontload it.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Ditto

    DD
     
  8. jump shooter

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    I'll be very surprised if the Rockets don't match IMHO.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    I am not sure, Morey seems to value cap flexibility above actual players - he let Parsons walk for nothing, Howard for nothing, and possibly DMo - his negotiating tactics are flagging.

    Look at San Antonio they come to terms with their RFAs on decent deals and rarely make them test the market.

    DD
     
  10. tinman

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    Why would DMo want to go the Nets? Scrub team
     
  11. DaDakota

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    $$$$ - at the end of the day these guys have a short window to make as much $$$ as they can - especially role players. I don't blame any of them for seeking a better financial offer.

    Why would Anderson sign with us a non-contending team? $$$$ Money.

    Same thing all over the league.

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  12. topfive

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    A paragraph in that recent SI article about Sam Hinkie made me think of the slow-motion DMo negotiations over the last 3-4 months:

    "In Philly, Hinkie became known as a cutthroat negotiator, sometimes to his detriment. But at least one rival GM thought his rep was earned partly because Hinkie’s combination of certainty and patience was intimidating. He knew what he wanted and was willing to wait for it. This is not the norm in pro sports{...}"

    I think what many here see as a lack of activity on Morey's part stems from the same way of doing business: Morey knows what he wants in this case (as well as what he doesn't want) and is willing to be patient and let the situation play out to its logical conclusion. He refuses to be forced into doing something stupid. The recently pulled offer of 3 years with 1 year guaranteed is representative of what the Rockets are willing to do. They might match a contract in the ballpark of 10-11M with 2 non-guaranteed years because they're only on the hook for 7M or so altogether -- basically what they've already said they okay wasting in a worst-case scenario.

    If the Nets' offer ends up having two or more years guaranteed, I doubt the Rockets will match it. If that happens and DMo ends up being healthy and productive, so be it. Morey has still approached this in the best possible manner for the team by refusing to tie up that money over 2+ years with better free agents than DMo available next summer.

    And keep in mind that nobody thinks DMo is going to suddenly blossom into a star at age 26 with 200+ games already under his belt. The best anyone should hope for is a repeat of the '14-'15 season: roughly 12 pts, 6 rbs, 2 asts,.5 blks and a .368 3PT% in about 30 minutes a game. Not scrub numbers, but it's not impossible to find that kind of production next summer from a free agent with no problematic back injury and who doesn't have a problem coming off the bench.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    If that happens and Morey lets him walk and he is a productive big, Morey should be fired.

    His main JOB is to build a contending team, and not letting assets walk for nothing - it is not about saving money or getting the BEST deal - it is about building a WINNING CONTENDING team - which he has so far failed to do....and letting quality assets walk for nothing is bad business.

    Parsons walked for nothing
    Howard walked for nothing

    Is DMo next?

    DD
     
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    Only if you're a team owner who thinks his GM should be able to perfectly predict the future.

    Morey has taken a prudent approach with the owner's money -- which is also the team's money and counts against the cap, the luxury tax, future free agent signings, etc. That's exactly the kind of approach you WANT your GM to take. Do you really think it would better if the Rockets ended up being locked into two years with a player who possibly won't see the court much? Because that's the risk here: Gamble two years and $20M or more on a risky roll player vs move on and look for something better.
     
  15. Vivi

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    Well, they just let go for nothing Boban and Joseph (which is a very nice player, i'd say pretty much in D.Mo's range of quality).
     
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    They did not walk for nothing, they walked for cap space.

    At the end of the day you don't want to lock yourself into being a mediocre team. I like DMO but he's not the difference between a championship and being a mediocre team.

    If he comes back tomorrow we'll be a little better...but not enough to beat the Spurs/Warriors in a series.
     
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    Morey's prudent approach landed us James Harden... 100 percent
     
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    I think it's better than what most here think it would be. You could say the same thing about what we traded for Harden.
     
  20. Vivi

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    Yeah, in the end if they trade Cousins they'll have literally zero front court, no center, no 4...the Celtics need to make a 3 way deal because they have no front court players to trade to SacTown aside Horford which they won't trade obviously. But we can basically rebuild them in those spots.

    It would be nice to know what Vivek thinks though, if he's willing to take the full rebuilding approach or if he's more inclined for the quick semi rebuild...i'd say the second but who knows...
     

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