Just finished it Hard to believe something like this can happen to people, but probably happens more often than we think What really makes this doc great is the preservence of innocents by Steven and especially his parents. Just amazing what a human being can go through and still believe and be positive.
Agree. So many parts I'm just watching it like wtf is happening here! I keep thinking about this case.
Basically furthering the thought that they had the car for a day or two prior to it being found. It was huge. It's the fatal flaw within our.justice system. Human ignorance and prejudice.
I'll be honest I'm afraid to watch this show. From what I've read I'm sure I will be really pissed off after watching this. I feel it would be like watching Requiem for a dream for me. Great movie but I felt physically ill after watching it. Think it'll be worth it for me?
just as disturbed like most here by the lack of evidence and the police motives, but did anyone just find it absouletly disgusting when the dateline news reporter said something to the effect of "Murder is hot right now," crazy.
Holy ****.. Amazing show but disgusting at the same time. Brendans first lawyer, the one with the creepy smile looks so shady. The DA, even before they released the text messages looked like a perv. So, who do you guys think did it? The ex boyfriend looked very suspicious to me.
I think therein lies the biggest problem. I don't think the ex or the brother or the uncle/newphew, etc., did it, because there is really no true evidence pointing in their direction. The rub of that, though, is that the police never really bothered looking anywhere but Steven Avery, so even if you instill reasonable doubt into a jury that Steven Avery might not be the guy, the jury is going to be left thinking "But then who is?!", which might make them a lot less likely to exonerate Avery "just in case". From day one the police really didn't do their jobs, or go after a truly thorough investigation, and it's really frightening to see that that level of incompetence actually ends up helping them rather than hurting them, as it should.
I think Apps makes a good point: unfortunately, there is no evidence pointing toward anybody else. The only circumstantial evidence is the ex-boyfriend accessing Teresa's voicemails. After reading some stuff online, I do feel like Steven probably committed the murder, but the police planted evidence to "help" the investigation along (ex: the key "found" in his bedroom on the seventh day of investigation). The following have been noted in several discussions on the Making a Murderer subreddit: Spoiler Avery called Auto Trader several times and requested that Halbach specifically come take photos. Avery called Halbach three times on the day she went missing, twice from a *67 number to hide his own. The "found" bullet in the garage, with Halbach's DNA on it, was forensically matched to his gun. Avery's sweat DNA was found on the hood latch of Halbach's car. I don't think anything Brendan says can be proven. His statements are so contradictory, and have been so thoroughly shaped by the police, that I struggle to see how he cannot be granted a retrial. While there is forensic evidence pointing toward Steven (however shady that may be), I don't remember anything that pointed toward Brendan.
I don't know if I believe Steven Avery committed those crimes or not. (I'm on Ep. 7 or 8) However, isn't there enough evidence that would put reasonable doubt in the jury's minds? (I'm assuming they convicted him since he is currently still in prison). Where is all of Theresa's blood and DNA in the bedroom, garage, etc? A murder that was described to be this brutal and no substantial amount of blood. The vile of Steven's blood from his previous case that looked like it was tampered with and wasn't allowed to be used as evidence was ridiculous to me. Branden's "confession" and that there aren't any other suspects in the case completely screwed them over. I do strongly believe that Branden had nothing to do with anything and is being completely F'd.
"I think that finding evidence in supposedly key crime scene locations days and months after you have done multiple searches and analysis of those locations is beyond suspect. To recap. A full team of investigators, after dozens of searches, missed the only shred of evidence in the garage (the bullet), the only shred of evidence in the trailer (the keys), and now apparently DNA on the hood/hood latch of the victim's car? It's either complete bull**** or the most improbable series of events in criminal history."
Ugh, I agree with all of this. I'm truly conflicted about it. Bottom line, I don't think Avery should have been convicted based upon the evidence presented at trial. If our standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt," then this case has a ton of doubt that should have given any jury pause. Ultimately, what makes this documentary compelling (like Serial) is the ambiguity and, ultimately, probable lack of any final answer. For both Steven Avery and Adnan Syed, there is plenty of compelling circumstantial evidence that can point you to believe they're guilty or innocent. If their cases were clear-cut, this documentary would've been sponsored by the Innocence Project and this thread probably wouldn't have as much discussion going on. As Steven's attorneys said, God help you if you find yourself up against the American justice system attempting to plead your innocence.
Is it weird that I watched episode one a couple of weeks ago and haven't watched any since? I mean, I liked it a lot, but I didn't get "sucked in". In fact, I've found this thread as interesting! I mean, I get I've spoilered it for myself if I do decide to watch... but then, the very first article I read about it before watching episode 1, I knew what the end end result was. I'm sucked into Daredevil at the moment instead. Great show!!
