Netanyahu's Likud sinks to new lows in Israeli polls

This thread is a disgrace. treeman wins the douche of the thread award for sure. Just pathetic that people could think like him.

 

Careful. You're apt to be called a traitor.

 

I think you're reading too much into it. I don't think Obama wanted to have an impact either way on Israel's election. He doesn't need to employ countermoves to mitigate this or move the conversation to that. His concern was the US, as it should be. Netanyahu's victory isn't a defeat for Obama.

 

There's only one poster around here that throws around treason allegations...

 

Here are some excerpts from an interesting but frightening article written by an Israeli living in England. Hopefully she is a bit exaggerated in her predictions of what Israel is becoming. Some posters who I believe are not Netanyahu supporters seem to confirm her view about those who do not vote for him but have the same world view wrt to Jews, Israel and the rest of the world.

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Israel has always prepared itself psychologically and economically to being isolated. All that openness to the rest of the world that Israel has enjoyed increasingly in the last generation or so, and Israel’s acceptance by others, have always been seen as temporary in the eyes of most Israeli Jews. They had always expected it to end and had the mentality of ‘let’s enjoy it while it lasts and make the most of it while we can’.

Fundamentally Israeli Jews believe that the world hates them because they are Jewish (in their mind it has nothing to do with colonialism or the Palestinians).

So although Israel has brought its own situation upon itself, that is not how Israeli Jews see it. They believe things are ‘happening to them’ for no fault of their own. They expect isolation and have dropped all pretences to pander to the West and are behaving more in line now with their true nature. Even less radical people will become radicalised now in Israel. There will be even more propaganda and more brainwashing than ever before.

Netanyahu really does represent most Israeli Jews even though some of them do not like him. But the reasons they do not like him are not what you expect. Most Israeli Jews identify with Netanyahu’s perception and understanding of what the rest of the world is like and of the world’s relationship with Israel. After all Netanyahu is a product of Israeli society just like I was, and believe me, when you have that kind of psychology and that incredibly effective, powerful propaganda machine all around you, it is easy to believe that what you see is really how it is… Israeli Jews have always lived in a psychological ghetto and it’s that ghetto that I got out of back in 1991.

Life will get very difficult for Jews in Israel soon enough, and many with dual citizenship will abandon ship. Those who remain will be the die-hard fanatics and zealots who are dangerous because they might have the psychology of murder suicide. I believe that before it is over, things will get really bad there and extremely dangerous. Israel will become much more fanatic and extremist than ever before with a lot less inhibitions.

I am therefore worried about the Palestinians and wonder how much more of this they could possibly take and what they can expect in the next few months and years. Israel isolating itself is more dangerous for the Palestinians because world public opinion will no longer be a moderating factor on Israel’s behaviour. And believe it or not, it did have a moderating effect. What you have been seeing so far and what Palestinians have been experiencing is not yet the worst. Gaza gives you the idea of what Israel has in mind for all Palestinians.

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/netanyahu-won-what#sthash.PsrMen5x.dpuf

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You obviously weren't here during the Bush years, dumbass

 

traitor
noun trai·tor \ˈtrā-tər\

1: one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2: one who commits treason

 

http://rt.com/news/241237-obama-netanyahu-senate-israel/

Not according to this report....if true its pretty obvious Obama was trying to have an outcome on the election.

Its definitely a defeat for Obama, his record on Middle East issues is appalling and I'm very much in the middle politically, I'm not one who just blames Obama for everything. There are good things he's done and bad things he's done. Simply put, when it comes to dealing with the Middle East, he doesn't have a freaking clue what to do. It would be fine if he just didn't come in with this ideological spirit of making the Middle East something that its not.

 

Which means what, exactly, to you? Isn't one, if in fact there is only one, one too many?

 

Russia Today, a Russian state sponsored news network? Hmm.

 

The butthurt is strong in this thread.

 

Butthurt about what, ATW? You don't find Netanyahu's campaign tactics offensive? Really offensive?

 

Nah, not really. I guess you'd think that if you are focused on US domestic politics, where the Democrats have built up Netanyahu as some sort of evil enemy, to target the Republicans.

I don't agree with him on the settlements, but I prefer him to most "politicians" in the countries surrounding Israel. Try to put yourself in his shoes. He has to protect a tiny country that is being threatened by crazy extremists running much larger countries surrounding his tiny country.

 

Evidence you don't know anything about US domestic politics.

 

Apparently I know more about US domestic politics than Northside Intern knows about Israeli domestic politics.

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If this is true, I'm very disappointed that he brought such a weak move to buy an election. I'm sure they don't spend as much money on elections in Israel as we do in the US, but what can you buy for $350,000? Is that 1 30-second spot?

 

I guess giving you a nickname is fair game now. We should just start throwing them out and see which one sticks.

 

He's busy making Israel less safe, not safer, ATW. He's used racism and bigotry during his campaign. He deliberately referred to the President of the United States as Hussein Obama, and it was clearly intended as a racist/ religious insult to the leader of this country. He accused the opposition of busing Israeli Arabs to vote in such a way that made it clear he wasn't any different than Southern politicians in America who oppressed Blacks in the South for so terribly long, the unsaid, but obvious message being that Israeli Arabs weren't really Israelis. He declared that a Palestinian state will never be created while he is prime minister, going directly and deliberately against the foreign policy of both Republican and Democratic administrations over the last several decades, as well as the declared goal of Israeli leaders for decades.

I could go on. Israel is a "Beacon of Democracy" in the Middle East, supposedly. If this is a democracy, it is one where not everyone is equal, with a leader that is more akin to the late Governor George Wallace, than what most Americans see as the leader of a country we have supported since they declared independence. He blatantly interfered with American politics for his own political gain, damaging US/Israeli relations. As for "being threatened by crazy extremists running much larger countries surrounding his tiny country" being a threat to Israel, Israel is vastly more powerful than any surrounding potential enemy, thanks in large part to countless billions of dollars of American aid, including huge amounts of military aid under the aegis of the Obama Administration, yes, from Mr. "Hussein Obama."

And you like this guy? Were he PM of Germany, you would have to be hospitalized, you'd be so pissed off. Think about it.

 

Agreeing with the Russia opinion of the US. Treason