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Nerlens Noel sues Rich Paul

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  1. Jalen Green OnlyFan

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    https://sports.yahoo.com/knicks-c-nerlens-noel-sues-agent-rich-paul-nba-232914914.html

    Article makes it sound as if Rich Paul is a shark who pulled a salesman schtick and over promised - under delivered to win his business from another agent.

    Then paul lost interest in him and didn't represent him ethically when it became clear Paul's time was better spent on more lucrative clients. Will be interesting to see if any of this is true.
     
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    He's been doing this forever. The only question is, why bring it up now and not 3 years ago?
     
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    Klutch Sports recently sued for $200,000 that Noel owes them, I think. This is a counter suit
     
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    Nah, they filed a grievance for 200k with NBA players union according to ESPN.

    That doesn't seem like the type of thing that's worth the time or trouble or reputational damage for Klutch/Paul.

    My guess is that Noel told them he was going to file the conplaint on Monday sometime last week and Paul filed their grievance with NBAPU to try to preempt it/muddy the waters/set up his defense. Technically there's only one lawsuit pending now and it's Noels, so it can't be a counterclaim.

    It also reads as something they'd been contemplating for awhile, hardly a snap reaction to a comparatively small (and probably longshot) grievance with the Players union.
     
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    DMo should sue BJ Armstrong.
     
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    So Noel ditched the agent who was with him from day 1, the dude who stood by him since he was a rookie for Paul's slick promises of 100M, now he is suing cuz those promises turned out to be empy? LMAO. Seems like karma to me nobody forced him to turn down that deal from the Mavs.
     
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    LeBron James former teammate James Jones with the Cavs. Now GM overpaid Trevor Ariza to be on the Suns. A terrible team. The Rockets defense suffered, the Rockets looked terrible and didn't become a Championship caliber team since Trevor Ariza left.

    I think LeBron James broke up the Rockets Harden, Paul Team.
     
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    I don't think Donatas Montiejinas knows this, or even how to sue, due to not knowing how American Justice System works.
     
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    thats a great point i never thought of

    also isnt it illegal for an active player to own a sports agency. Thats probably why lebron shows up to his sons games... RECRUITING those kids to be future clients. We all know aint no way in hell Bronny got NBA talent
     
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    Are you saying DMo doesn’t know his rights?
     
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    If I was Noel , I’d be pissed too.
     
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    We know? Strange, well im curious how do you actually know? IG or youtube?
     
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    By the 3 hairs from you know where.
     
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    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...paul-lawsuit-could-change-nba-agent-landscape

    Sources told Bleacher Report that Victor Oladipo was influenced to leave longtime representative Aaron Turner of Versus Management for Excel Sports just before free agency this summer. Excel gave Oladipo the same sales pitch: a new agent can deliver more money than the previous one. In this case, like Noel's, they didn't deliver.

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    Noel's lawsuit is the first unveiling of a high-profile agent's clandestine strategies. Here, Paul wooed Noel while they both attended the birthday party of another Klutch client, and Noel's former teammate, Ben Simmons.

    The NBPA was not prepared for Noel's hammer to drop after Paul's Kutch Sports filed a grievance with the union, claiming Noel did not pay his $200,000 commission on last season's one-year, $5 million deal with the Knicks.

    "It is wild to see all of it aired out like this," another veteran agent said. "It happens all the time, but it never becomes public. It happens around the draft even. Guys will say anything to convince these players to come."

    Maybe these headlines do go away and Noel's filing was simply a public gesture against the agent he feels wronged him. "I'll pay you this 200 grand, but I'm gonna s--t in your cornflakes before I do," one representative who previously worked with Noel said.

    The majority of league sources contacted by B/R do expect the union to settle some type of agreement between these two parties, being that a legitimate legal battle benefits neither Klutch nor Noel. For Noel to win $58 million in alleged lost salary, he would seemingly face a daunting uphill battle in a court of law.

    "The truth is Nerlens is not innocent in this," another agent said. "If you're silly enough to turn down that kind of money, that's not on Rich."

    Paul's defense would be simple: An agent can never be held accountable for accurately predicting the future. He was providing a client with counsel, counsel that Noel did not have to accept, and if Noel did not suffer an injury, he very well could have garnered a richer deal.

    That following summer, in 2018, Clint Capela scored a five-year, $90 million contract from the Rockets, a solid payday for a bouncy pick-and-roll threat and rim-protector of similar ilk.

    Noel's case relies on the argument that Paul did not act in Noel's best interest, that Paul had no part in pitching the center to the Thunder in 2018 or sufficiently marketing him to other teams the following seasons.

    The lawsuit claims Paul never informed Noel of Philadelphia's interest in bringing him back—that he later only heard the intel from coach Brett Brown, who said Philly's front office was unable to reach Paul. The 76ers, and the team's coaching staff in particular, were indeed interested in Noel before Philadelphia ultimately shifted its pricier sights onto Al Horford, sources confirmed to B/R.

    Noel goes on to allege that the Clippers and Rockets also attempted to contact Paul that same offseason, also to no avail. League sources confirmed this detail to Bleacher Report as well. "Nerlens was always somebody we really liked in Houston and definitely tried to get in touch with," one former Rockets official said. "But my understanding is it never got very far."

    It likely would be very challenging, however, for Noel's defense to find a team figure willing to come forward and confirm that series of events as a witness at trial. It's a sensitive topic that multiple league personnel declined to comment on for this article.

    Maybe the only impact here is a little dent in Paul's armor. Noel was neither the first nor last client Klutch advised to turn down a richer offer than one that would later come. Not all press is good press when it comes to securing future players.

    Paul's then-client, Shabazz Muhammad, declined a four-year, $40 million offer from the Wolves, which never materialized again. He urged Kentavious Caldwell-Pope to turn down Detroit's five-year, $80 million extension. Marcus Morris fired Paul after they declined a three-year, $41 million offer from the Clippers in free agency.

    But Morris was then traded to Los Angeles that deadline, where he re-signed on a four-year, $64 million deal. Eric Bledsoe and Tristan Thompson each secured massive contracts after their loud holdouts.

    You can bet on yourself with either outcome. We'll see if the union ends up adding more rules to the game before a player decides whether to make that gamble.
     
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    NBA agents are so jealous of Rich Paul, it’s beyond pathetic

    can’t let the black man become too powerful now can we…
     
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    Sadly LeBron James is running the League, if you make money for the NBA you can do illegal things. Like the Miami Clinic of LeBron James steroid use. Honestly LeBron James career should be over 3 years ago. Just by using steroids it has added years to his career.
     
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    Its definitely some shady ****
    Basketball is not all up to date as teh billion dollar business, its run almost more like multiple mom and pop shops.
    The relationships matter largely and the league is a small world and they have their favorites just like Cuban had Fegan and certain agents can get teams to give them some help.
    So no doubt Rich and Klutch have certain relationships that they pander too, hes done well for a lot of his clients
    but not picking up phone calls?! that is terrible, I don't know if noel actually has some legal justification especially for that amount, but it is reasonable to think if this all is proven to be true that some payback is necessary. Let aloen that mot of the players are flocking to Rich now and wonder if this will make them reconsider as to miss a big contract sadly happens, but not to even listen to offers...no excuse f
     
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    What is this about his steroid use?
    The guy isn't big, I could only see the main benefit for recovery for him, but hes also a freak of nature. I also wouldn't deduce how much he puts into to recovery and the game. He doesn't skip steps. he spends one million or so just on recovery yearly and then you know when a dude post 30 continues to improve and now become a deadly shooter which was alaways his shaky shot he just keeps workign on his game. A lot to say about lebron, but I feel at this point hes just proven everyone wrong. Simply one of the Goats.

    but yea, the ethics of this are concerning, but the nba usually doesn't care unless its bad PR. And lebron is one of the biggest revenue generators and every single company favors or gives beneefits if you are carrying that much of a load which the nba markets on its stars and lebron maybe curry are the biggest ones.
     
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    They aren't successful though
    It says rockets and philly were interested...."a former rockets official" confiremd that....Daryl? trying to stir some **** with Rich bc of the Simmons situation? hes at it again

    but yea, players are sitll going to flock to Klutch bc they got the pull, but this is a bad look if true. Regardless, I give rich a lot of credit, just like lebron growing up without any real figures and education,but he ended up being one great leader and develping his own compnay while people like Phil called it his posse...he empowered his boys rather than jut fed em and they rose up. Mav and Rich have really made a mark and answered the call that many doubted they would perhaps for the same reasons you said. That dude is a man with a plan. Go get the bag.
     

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