Neocons predicted Muslims respect a winner - well may be not

That statement is ridiculous MadMax and you very well know it...you are embarrassed the administration you support has lied to you in order to invade another nation. Every so-called lead, connection, or find has turned up cold and that drives you crazy. I agree it is getting worthless to argue with people who support Bush on pure faith alone.

 

you assumed the worst of my post...sorry if i gave you that idea. i didn't say you were nuts for believing that. I'm simply saying we've all heard the evidence time and time again. By now, our minds have been made up. you see a potential mobile lab and say, "i don't think that's a threat to the US." others look at it and see a threat. we can argue back and forth all day long...but if person x doesn't see it...and person y does...how long do they argue before they just go..."well..we'll agree to disagree then." ultimately, you see this big conspiracy theory...you see lies...fine. good luck! let's move on! indict the guy....do something...call your congressman!! but the endless debate on these boards over this is mind-numbing. it's like one big "he said/she said."

don't assume to know what's going on in my mind...or what drives me crazy. i haven't been following this story anywhere but on these boards...i have been busy at work and rarely watch any news programs when i get home. in return..i won't assume to know what's going on in yours. for as many generalizations as you can draw against me, i can do the same with you. i'd prefer not to. that's petty and pointless.

 

I like dumb jokes--just clarifying--I was thinking along the same lines myself!

 

Well I see your biggest mistake pretty clearly.

I support the classic line "We'll have to agree to disagree".

KC

 

The world already hated us. You should know that, No Worries. All this talk of America as imperial power didn't just happen recently.

 

LOL son, the world community knew he had massive stores of WMD in 1998.

Saddam wanted to survive in power, but he miscalculated. In my opinion, he thought he would be able to hold Baghdad and inflict huge losses on coalition forces. If that could have happened, then maybe world opinion would have ended the war with his regime intact. As the start of the war came closer, I think he destroyed a great deal of WMD, buried some WMD, and moved some WMD to friendly countries.

This plan would have been ruined if he used WMD on coalition forces, and the world would have called for his head.

This is pure speculation, and just my opinion. Only time will tell if I am correct.

 

The world already hated us. You should know that, No Worries. All this talk of America as imperial power didn't just happen recently.

Hmm... From the article:

<I>
The war in Iraq has sent support for the United States to new lows in Muslim countries and significantly damaged the standing of the United Nations in those nations and elsewhere

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In a previous Pew survey, negative feelings about the United States were confined to the Middle East and Pakistan but now they have expanded to Africa and Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation. There, <B>83 percent had an unfavorable view of America, compared to 36 percent a year ago.</B>

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"Dislike of the United States has really deepened and spread throughout the Muslim world," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center that oversaw polling.
</I>

The world hates us more today than it did a year ago. Are we really safer now?

 

Exactly right (even though you didn't mean it).

 

We are much safer now.

Countries will not risk supporting terrorist groups again, at least not while G.W. is in office. Saudi Arabia has back away from its religious dogma, and allowed us to interview its citizens. Pakistan is now battling the terrorists in their land.

There is no time to plan attacks when you are on the run.

 

JohnHeath,

You keep up the good fight bro, you are right on the money.

DD

 

So simple, so obvious. And yet people want to criticize Bush so badly they can't see it!

 

Countries will not risk supporting terrorist groups again, at least not while G.W. is in office. Saudi Arabia has back away from its religious dogma, and allowed us to interview its citizens. Pakistan is now battling the terrorists in their land.

This all was happening before Iraq. If Muslim hatred in Pakistan grows to the point that Musharraf gets overthrown and extremist Muslims get hold of a nuclear arsenal, then what? Many intelligence analysts rate this as the #1 threat to the U.S. right now. Did we just make it more likely? Unfortunately, these are questions that can't be answered right now.

Unfortunately, people who say "we're powerful, everyone is scared of us now" didn't learn anything from 9/11. Terrorists don't work that way. They use the available resources - if countries are available, great. If not, they'll find other means.

 

And all of this done without the great USofA Intel community not seeing any of it?

Not the snoops on the ground.
Not the plans in the air.
Not our vaulted satellites


Boy that Saddam is one sneaky dude.

 

McMark,

All those trucks were moving something before the UN inspectors got there.

How hard is it to move a petri dish full of biotoxin?

The attack on Iraq is much bigger than simply getting rid of Saddam, it is an attempt at establishing democracy in an ever increasingly hostile section of the planet.

In 50 years Bush/Blair may be thought of as heroes.



DD

 

That is a good question concerning Pakistan. I don't think the world community would allow the extremists to overthrow Musharraf, because of the threat of nuclear war with India over Khasmir. Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream. I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been. To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen. They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed.

Sorry, my attention wandered.

Anyway, that threat in Pakistan is real and terrifying, but the world is ready to act.

 

Not to derail the thread, but...

Angry Iraqis Demand Right to Rule Themselves

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=2&u=/nm/20030603/wl_nm/iraq_dc

'PLEASE GO HOME'

Many Iraqis who welcomed the fall of Saddam are growing impatient with the pace of change. Angry crowds take to the streets almost daily to demand that foreign troops leave.

"We advise you to leave our country or you will make enemies out of us," said Shi'ite cleric Muaaed al-Khazraji in a speech after a march by Muslim protesters to the headquarters of the U.S.-led administration.

"Please go home and we will be very grateful because you got rid of Saddam."

The protesters, both Shi'ite and Sunni, demanded an end to body searches of Iraqi women at security checkpoints, and called for the establishment of a government run by Iraqis.

Repeated attacks have been mounted on U.S. troops in Baghdad and nearby provinces. U.S. Central Command said an American soldier died Monday after a checkpoint came under small arms and rocket-propelled grenade fire near Balad, 55 miles from Baghdad.

Local farmer Mahmoud al-Ubaidi said hostility toward the Americans was mounting in the town.

"The Iraqi people have just started war on them. The uprising of the Iraqi people has started now," he said. "They are treating us in a humiliating way, searching our cars and women. We will teach them a lesson if they continue."

IMHO democracy, by its very definition is something you cannot force upon a people. They have to want it themselves.

Oh, well it's be fun today. Later people...

 

McMark,

Yep, I am sure they do want to rule themselves, and we will let them.

Once the country is secure and the new government is firmly established, we will go....to our new basis in Iraq that is.



DD

 

Okay...I think I've got a hold of this theory now.


Saddam spent millions on 'secretly' building up an arsenal of WMD over the years...but despite the fact that he set the agenda, the locations, and prioritized secrecy, our intell guys knew all about it, to the point where we were identifying specific hiding points.

Now fast forward...we have given him days to comply or face invasion, at which point he apparently carries out an even more secret mission of quickly destroying all his WMD's, and,despite our knowing their location and him having an amazingly limited amount of time, he carries it off without a single US intel expert being aware. This is made even more amazing by two facts: Why on earth he wants to keep this secret is anyone's guess, let alone why he would destroy them when facing an invasion...

Ok...that's about it, right? Is Chief Justice Warren involved in this theory?

 

OMG..DD, I know it was unintentional, but you DO know who you essentially just quoted, right?