Neo Confederates in TX Now Try try to use ID ruse to keep women from voting

how would you know if IDs aren't even checked?

lol some of you guys will just claim anything

 

On a national level, this type of voter fraud is miniscule. My concern is on the local level. Now I understand you really don't care about Podunk Town, USA, but voter fraud can make a difference in that environment.

I think its ridiculous to force people to have special ID's or what not, but I do feel there needs to be some attempt at trying to prove who you are. A current bill with their name and address would be sufficient.

 

So we should have voter ID because theoretically people might be voting twice even though there is no hard evidence of that. But because we can't disprove the idea that people are voting twice, we should have voter ID.

Also as a side note, its quite possible (but time consuming) to figure out if people are double voting. You can pay each county in Texas for the voter file for a particular year (say 2012) and actually check the rolls and see if there are duplicates. And considering how many people (including Republicans) have access to that voter data, you'd think there would be reports of said fraud by now.

 

I think both sides are reasonable on this, or voter ID in general.

The republicans are right that an id is not an unreasonable demand.

Democrats are right that the only reason Republicans want to institute voter ID is because they know minorities and the poor are less likely to get one.

The solution to me is implement it with something like a 4 year, 5 year implementation window. That's plenty of time for ANYONE to find a day to get an id.

 

Sure its not a big deal.

Of course - like most recent voting laws - its probably many orders of magnitude more likely to disenfranchise eligible voters without necessary documents by creating more hurdles than it is to deter the nonexistent problem of voter fraud. Do you need me to tell you what the big deal is about that?

I've got an idea. Before you come up with the "not sure what the problem is?" act - you must first prove that voter fraud is a tangible significant phenomenon. Explain to us "what the big deal" is. Surely a new regulatory regime must respond to a real problem?

Millions and millions of dollars and research hours the full power of the Bush DOJ were devoted to this and failed utterly to document anything of consequence.

Perhaps you will succeed. And that would be a BIG DEAL indeed.

 

Ahhh voter fraud, another Republican boogey man to stir up the Republican base which has quietly faded away after proven a mammoth waste of time... I put it up there with Clinton smoking pot, irrational fear of **** getting married, Obama being a Muslim from Africa and any number of other bull**** causes that distract from the real issues.

 

nobody flew a plane into skyscrapers before 9/11...

 

Because if you try to vote for me, and then I vote, it would be flagged. And voter rolls are public. So if dead people vote, it would be easy to see.

Just because you don't know enough about the voting system to understand how voter fraud would or wouldn't work doesn't mean the rest of us don't.

 

Podunk Town, USA in an election where 100 people vote would be the easiest place to identify voter fraud if it existed. For starters, everyone probably knows everyone else, so the ID is not going to be necessary and it would be much riskier to try to pretend to be someone else. Second, it would be easy to see if the 100 people that voted actually voted by simply asking them.

Conservatives have been trying their best to find all these instances of voter fraud and consistently come up empty.

 

and what if I go vote for 10 people who I know won't be voting?

oops your argument fell apart

 

What if I try to vote for someone who doesn't vote?

 

Then you would have spent many hours of your life traveling to different precincts around the city to gain 9 extra votes at considerable risk to yourself of going to jail, with no benefit to yourself except that some other person might have a tiny bit better chance of election in the rare event that the race is absurdly close.

Or if you partner with a bunch of other people to try do it on a larger scale, all it would take is for one person to screw up or gain a conscience for you to end up in jail.

Risk/reward = terrible. And the fact that no one ever actually gets caught doing this is evidence that's it's not happening.

But on that note, if you want to fix theoretical problems, what about fake IDs? If that person is willing to take on that risk, it wouldn't be hard to create fake IDs. Why aren't you fighting the good fight to go past silly IDs to prove you are who you are?

 

how many votes swung the Florida presidential election back in 2000? oops your argument just fell apart AGAIN

 

Then you'd be about as common as a unicorn. Very few people (zero in the current era it appears...) find it very compelling to cast double votes (2 meaningless votes! Wow) and risk prison sentences in the process.

But perhaps you can try. Your party would be grateful to have at least one person to point to.

 

More than 500. So you'd have to have hundreds of people involved in a voter fraud effort that we've never had any evidence of even 1 person doing. And they'd have to be willing to do it under no voter ID laws, but creating fake IDs would just be a bridge to far. Reality says hello.

 

You'd have to know they don't vote, know that the precinct workers don't know what he looks like, and be willing to risk jail time to give your favorite candidate an extra vote. But while you'd be ok with committing fraud and risking jailtime, you'd have to be unwilling to create a fake ID to do it.

 

Obama's Navigators are up to the challenge.

Peruvian illegal immigrants signing up folks for Obamacare and lobbying for the DREAM act all in one...

 

About one, cast in DC.

 

I think you are ignoring the cost to benefit ratio.