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Nelly killed it on ESPN First Take

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by IgotNext, Jul 16, 2013.

  1. rpr52121

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    Ken Jeong is a physician who finished his internal medicine residency and is actually still licensed to practice in Cali.

    He he did comedy as a hobby but just decided to pursue that full time after he won a best-comedian contest.
     
  2. SF3isBack!!

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    You do realize that Shaq hated Kobe until a couple of years ago right?
     
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    Entertaining. They definitely know how to put on a show. Nelly did raise some good points. 3 dominant big men and nothing good to say. The common denominator is Kobe.
     
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    Have you heard what Shaq would say about Kobe before in went to being on TNT. It is no Hate on Kobe it just the facts if you take your Kobe blinders off and see what this guy is all about: Himself not the team.
     
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    Lol, Nelly exposed the Laker homers of ESPN.
     
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    OK, I take it "majority" is just your random conjecture based on small sample size of hearsay.
     
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    the truth of the day:

    "Kobe takes all the shots, yet if the Lakers lose, they will blame the new star free agent, the coach, the role players before they blame Kobe. who would want that?"
     
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    It's been like that for years. I didnt hate him for the rape case, I think that's a lie or I just don't give a ****. If you know me you know I hate extreme homers from rockets or the lakers. The lakers haz the media media doe. Nelly said everything I've been saying. What if we had our standards like them and held tmac the same level.But no, because we gobble what the media says and they never backed t-mac, less the fans.
     
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    for real man...nelly just made so many good points!
    -kobe being a spoiled child of LA's making
    -dwight thinking jackson could rein in kobe
    -kobe never elevating anyone's game then citing gasol's dropoff in stats
    -magic taking a paycut, other players taking paycuts to be with lebron
    -kobe not winning 6 although that's supposed to be the goal
    -skip says that orlando team took dwight to the finals, yet they couldn't even get hedo's name right!
    -the many double standards involving anyone other than kobe
    -in general, who wants to play with kobe?

    never really liked his music, but nelly sure knows sports...this segment did more to rehab my image of dwight than all the dwight interviews i saw in the last 2 weeks
     
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    seriously, SAS really doesn't know much about basketball does he?
     
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    My ears is hurting now after listening to this shouting session...
     
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    I never liked his music either but he really made them look stupid. The whole "blasphemy" thing that stephen a was saying just lets you know how bad it is. KOBE BRYANT IS NOT GOD.
     
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    Just because Nelly was screaming and cussing doesn't mean he's right. HOW can you say Gasol became worse on the Lakers? The games he had with Kobe, especially during 09 were some of the best big man guard teamwork of all time, and led to a crushing of the Orlando Magic in the Finals. Players like Jordan Farmar, Odom, Ariza, Bynum, Caron Butler, all stepped their game up when playing with Kobe, and they all became key pieces towards contending teams. They've all said at one time or another that learning from Kobe was an important factor in their development. SO WHY THE **** is Nelly accusing Kobe of not making anyone around him play better?

    And nobody wants to play alongside Kobe? What about Steve Nash? What about Carmelo? Are those people nobodies?

    YOU take YOUR Dwight goggles off and see the truth: Kobe is all about winning. He's never been anything other than that. IF you're not into winning and becoming the strongest version of yourself then GTFO.

    Here, if you're not convinced that Kobe isn't the problem, this is a recent interview from Steve Nash:

    Q: Why did you think Dwight left?

    Nash: He just didn't seem to be comfortable here.


    Q: Did you think criticisms from Laker fans like telling Dwight not to smile played a part in that?

    Nash: Not really, that was just a small extent. Dwight just didn't seem comfortable here. If he didn't like being here, then he shouldn't play here. I love playing here. Being a Laker, the experience has been remarkable. I love playing for this fanbase and playing for this franchise.


    Q: Did you think it was smart to have both Kobe and D'Antoni in the meeting when Dwight had frictions with both?

    Nash: They had to be there. Like I've said, we didn't have a chance coming in, but after the meeting we at least gave Dwight something to think about.


    Q: Are you sad that Metta World Peace is gone?

    Nash: Metta has been a great teammate. I'm really sad Metta's gone. Not so much sad about Dwight.


    Q: What's going to happen this season? Are you disappointed you will be part of a re-building?

    Nash: Not at all. It's hard to win a championship when 29 other teams are fighting for it. This Lakers franchise has a track record of winning. We'll get back to winning.


    Q: Do you believe the idea of playing with Kobe may turn away some FA?

    Nash: I don't think so. Not at all.



    Q: Do you think LeBron or Carmelo will come to L.A.?

    Nash: I don't get into those kind of things. But the Lakers' history speaks for itself. I'm sure the Lakers always have a shot. Even if guys like LeBron or Carmelo may want to stay with their teams, the thought of being a Laker will always peak their interest.
     
  15. SF3isBack!!

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    WOW you are really in love with Kobe. And I think it's cool, he is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. TOP5 at least TOP10. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have his faults. The truth is he did not carry the Lakers to championships by himself.

    IN FACT he always had all-star big men with him every time he hit the finals. The same cannot be said for Dwight Howard. Shaq had to be traded, Bynum had to be traded and Gasol got blamed for everything before Howard got there.

    So why stay if you are Dwight. Fans hated him eventhough he was injured and was still the best big man in the league. Yet no complaints for Kobe, really? why would you want to stay in that situation esp if they are not winning?
     
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    I was merely arguing against what Nelly had to spew out on FT. In fact I don't deny any of those statements you've made, except for the last one.

    The Lakers finished the last 2/5 of the season on a 0.702 record, even with minor injuries here and there. Their prior record was due a tonne of injuries, not to mention the coaching change, which WILL affect any team. With Howard in place from the get go, the Lakers would've been aggressive in pursuing free agents, instead of waiting on Dwight. Nash/Howard/Gasol/Kobe is as potent a core as any, and with some additions the team would've been a contender, no doubt.

    Howard left because, as you said, the fans didn't appreciate him there. It's not entirely his fault, because the LA fans are used to Kobe's/ Nash's level of determination and discipline. Howard gave the impression that winning a championship was only 70-80% his priority, and was complaining to the public when he should've been focused on helping the team win games. His last game with the Lakers really sealed his fate with the fans imo.

    I'm a Kobe fan for sure, but I'm also a Rocket's fan. If Howard can help us win a chip, then all the power to him. I don't deny the man his talent, and in this team he is more than capable of being a leading contributor. It's when people like Nelly calls all time greats like Kobe a "spoiled, [fabricated] star", that I really take issue.
     
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    They made it to the first round and got swept. Dwight, Kobe and Nash could be seen in different videos aruging at different times. I'm not saying that teamates don't argue, but these looked a bit serious which points to bad lockeroom and off court relationships. With that situation in place and Kobe possibly not being able to start next season and Nash being almost 40 playing against 20 yr olds. Why stay? he would have been stupid to stay, the Lakers were going nowhere even with him.

    Second, Kobe is spoiled. A lot people in the spotlight are spoiled, but because you admitted that Howard would got blamed for them losing and as a matter of fact Gasol and Bynum got blamed before Howard but Kobe doesn't. That's how he is spoiled and unfriending Dwight was like a Child throwing a temper tantrum.
     
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    I wasn't a huge fan of Nelly's outburst on FT, but he had a few good points. Your earlier post (not this quoted one) was a bit biased though. Your passion for Kobe is like SAS's passion for NYK -- calm down a bit haha.

    Kobe is a great player, even Nelly said that multiple times. He's certainly one of the greatest players to ever don the Purple and Gold, which is saying something. But that being said, I get where Nelly is coming from. On the fans, I agree w/ him -- LAL fans totally stomped over Dwight. They acted as if none of it was Kobe's fault. Did he earn that? Yes, but that doesn't mean anything to Dwight when he then is forced to 'unfairly' shoulder Kobe's burden too.

    On Kobe, I think Kobe is a good leader. He's just a very specific type of leader. He is as good of a competitive leader as you'd imagine would be in the nba, but he isn't like a great "leader" in the true sense of the word when I think of the greatest leaders of our history. Unfair to compare the greatest leaders of HISTORY to Kobe, who is just a basketball player, I know, but the fact is, great leaders are able to bring people with them. Not just elevate them, but bring them along. Kobe definitely do that with Dwight, and I very much doubt he has the personality to.

    I don't think Nelly meant Kobe was a 'fake' star since he himself said multiple times how great of a player Kobe is. How's he going to be a fake star yet an all time great? But spoiled? Kobe is spoiled. So's Dwight, but LA specifically spoils Kobe now. I don't disagree w/ that.
     
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    Last thing I'll say before heading to bed. Kobe was injured, Howard pretty got shut down by TD, but more importantly mentally checked out after game 2. Looking at the record they finished the season on, I'd say they would have been at least a contender. Nash's game really isn't as age dependent as you think. The only thing that could limit him is injury, and that leg injury that caused him to sit out most of the first half season was caused by collision, not age. I don't deny that Houston was a more immediate contender, though, which is why he chose to leave.

    Kobe is spoiled, sure. Give me one superstar that isn't. Fans don't blame Kobe, sure. But how's that relevant to Kobe himself? He always gave it his all, played through injuries and pain, and made promises that he kept. Fans like Kobe not because ESPN tells them to, and that's pretty telling if you ask me. Also, tell me, if your team mate, who you absolutely are not offcourt friends with, switched to a rival team, wouldn't you unfollow him? I don't see that as spoiled, I see that as practicality mixed with a little bit of competitiveness. Moreover, Kobe knew Howard's heart was never in LA. If Pau was traded, Kobe wouldn't have treated him in the same way. In fact Kobe always stated that Pau should stay in LA, where Pau was grateful to be. As Nash stated, Howard didn't want to be there, so why bother being friendly and formal about his departure?

    Just my two cents though. I honestly believe I watch more basketball than Nelly, and think a person with real grounded points would speak less hysterically than he. Calling someone "spoiled" on air seems the more childish act, ironically.
     
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    It sucks when this board hits you right in the truth.
     

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