Nelly benches Baron Davis in 2nd half of Phoenix game

Oh man, I'd swap Davis for McGrady in a heartbeat. The only question is whether or not the Warriors are stupid enough... I mean, nice enough to do the deal.

 

I would also swap Davis for McGrady. Of course, this assume the following:
1.) We have Baron Davis
2.) They have Tracy McGrady

Simply put, a trade is NOT just going to magically "fix" this team. Look at the facts:
1.) Baron Davis is great in an ultra-fast paced game. Though it's a faster offense than JVG's, Adelman's Princeton-based offense is more of a halfcourt game. How good is Davis in halfcourt sets? Honestly, I don't know. But look at Jason Kidd, a guy who needs to make these slick passes in transition to be effective.
2.) Here's the other question: how good will Davis be without great finishers? Fact is, what happens when his teammates start blowing easy layups? We're talking about losing Tracy McGrady and therefore starting Luther Head, Shane Battier (at 2 with Steve Novak at 3), or Bobby Jackson in place of T-Mac. Who do you think is better: Rafer/McGrady or Davis/Novak, Davis/Head, or Davis/Jackson? Honestly, even if I think the world of Baron Davis, the other combinations don't exactly inspire confidence.
3.)T-Mac already knows the system, already has the chemistry, and already loves the city. Those are quite significant.

I think those are significant hurdles in the proposed trade. Heck, I think those are significant hurdles in ANY McGrady trade. And realistically, the Rockets won't be able to find any starting upgrade at 2, at 3, at 4, or at 5. That's why I think this team just needs a good, quality free agent (especially if that FA is a talented backup to Yao who can eat 20 his minutes per night).

 

But he led his team to the playoffs!!!

Oh...

Nevermind...

 

what's hilarious is that mac only led his team to wins in the first 1/4 of the season. the rest of the way has been a team effort with a couple of offensive flurrys from mac. the rest of the way, mac has been terrible. you can't credit him with 54 wins. trade the b****.

 

People would trade T-Mac for a baked potato. When you're a team on the cusp of contention(fully healthy) you don't trade away a superstar for 60cents on the dollar. The team is one legit 15-19ppg scorer away from being championship favorites, and people wanna give away the franchise for some twix and a pepsi.

If these T-Mac haters were GM's, we would be the new Grizzlies trading..... no, giving away T-Mac for garbage like Raef Lafrentz or the rights to Isiah Rider.

 

Either you misread my post, or you quoted the wrong one.

My post states that T-Mac is leading his team to the playoffs (again) while Davis is not.


I believe if the teams were swapped, as some think should happen, T-Mac would still be in the playoffs and Davis would be going home.

Don't skim read next time and/or use "preview post" to double check you are replying to the right person.

Or just try and weigh the context of a response.

I am all for Yao AND T-Mac getting a FULL season together before we talk trade on either of the two at all...

I grow so tired of every other Rockets fan bailing on the team, or one of it's players, before round one even starts.

It happens every year.

I am neither a Tracy hater nor a Yao hater. I like every single player in a Rockets jersey... and those are my favorites besides Battier and Scola... and Brooks and Landry.

And Stevie and B-Jax... and... well you get the picture.

Just tired of the armchair GM and Coaching staff sometimes.

Let the season play out first! My goodness this team has far exceeded expectations given the hand it has been dealt!

Be thankful, people! We could be in Seattle, or even Miami!

 

Wait... Which do I get? A baked potato or some Twix and a Pepsi? One of them has bacon.

 

That's the thing, I mean why would you do an equal-equal trade where no team gains anything?

 

Baked potato with melted cheese and bacon. We can started at at SG. Not to worry it always has the hot hand.

 

EDIT:

We can start it at SG.

 

Obviously Clutch is taking a dig at TMAC.

 

I'm not really sure I agree with that assessment. Yes, in the high post offense, that is true, and we certainly have abandoned that (partly due to McGrady, I'm sure).

But I would amend that to say that if McGrady wants the ball in his hands, fine, but he must then take on the burden of attacking the lane to create for himself and others. He hasn't done so with any consistency since February.

Basketball 101: on offense, you take the ball to the basket to either score or disrupt the defense to create an easy opportunity.
With Yao, you feed the post and he either scores or kicks out to an open shooter.
With Yao out, you either:
1) see if someone else (Scola) can provide reliable post play
2) rely on guard penetration (Rafer, McGrady)
3) return to a high post cutting system

We've marginally done some of 1 and 2, but neither has become a foundation. We've ended up with a "let's see what happens" system night to night, which is a recipe for disaster (see the Nuggets game). We're overly reliant on outside jumpers falling and there is NOTHING in our offense that you can count on from game to game.

McGrady will not commit to attacking the basket (just like he won't commit to fastbreaks). Right now, this spring, Baron Davis would probably be useful to us. Once Yao returns, he won't be.

Personally, I'm ready to see McGrady go. It just seems to me each year that he tries more and more to find a way to slip out of sight. I think we're much better off taking him and our movable assets and build the strongest possible team around Yao (while knowing that he's going to be a major injury risk the rest of his career).

PF is covered, for the first time since Barkley. A Michael Redd would be fantastic. Joe Johnson would obviously also be wonderful. Utah knew exactly what they wwere doing when they snagged Harpring and Korver. Mike Miller is pricey, but would be a good fit.

Evan

 

Maybe he benched Davis because he knew the team wasn't going to get deep into the playoffs and would rather stay home and chill. Plus, they get a better draft pick.

 

This year:
Davis
.427 fg%, .327 3pt%, .750 ft%, 7.6 apg, 21.9 ppg
McGrady
.427 fg%, .297 3pt%, .684 ft%, 5.8 apg, 21.8 ppg

Career:
Davis
.414 fg%, .325 3pt%, .692 ft%, 7.2 apg, 17.1 ppg
McGrady
.438 fg%, .338 3pt%, .747 ft%, 4.7 apg, 22.4 ppg

Davis is obviously having a better season than McGrady (although their fg% and scoring are pretty much the same). Career-wise, McGrady is way better in all categories except in assist.

You can look at it in two different ways.
1. This is a fluke year. McGrady is a better player hands down.
2. McGrady is declining and Davis is improving.

BTW, they are of the same age. And in terms of injury, Davis had 6 seasons in which he missed more than 10 games. McGrady had 3.

 

Rafer.

 

I agree with him though, of course I'm not going to party hard if we get bounced, but without Yao what do you expect? What did you expect even with him? Yao and T-Mac are not experienced winners in the playoffs, in fact they're not winners at all. Setting the standards for a championship or WCF would be ridiculous just because we were playing well in the regular season.

We are most likely going to get bounced in the first round. And if we lose HCA we are definitely most likely going to get bounced in the first round. Especially if we play the Jazz without HCA.

Imagine if we had both healthy for the whole season, we could have been so good. It's not Yao's fault. It's not T-Mac's fault. Both are very injury prone nowadays. That's just how it is.

The grass is always greener on the other side. Fans will trash on their own players and consider other teams or their players much better or even they same as their own.

Here in the Bay Area people want Davis' head because everyone thinks he sucks so bad when it counts. None of you all will agree with that. GS fans think T-Mac is crazy good and only can't get out of the first round because of his teammates, which none of you all would think.

If anything, you have to get Monta Ellis from the Warriors, he's so much better than Baron and he has so much more potential (obviously) being younger. That's just not happening, though.

I doubt T-Mac gets traded this offseason even if we get owned in the first round because Yao's not playing. Damn I miss Yao. I wish he were healthy and ready to go. Then we could most likely beat anyone.