Nelly benches Baron Davis in 2nd half of Phoenix game

I like Ellis so much better than BDiddy. Ellis is/will be the star of that team.

 

And some would trade him for Darius Miles and half a bottle of vodka.

Stupidity runs both ways.

 

Wouldn't do it. Tmac's has vision as a playmaker which is what we are lacking on this team. How many layups has Biedrins gotten from Baron's pentration? Many layups has Hayes/Scola/Landry gotten?

If we can upgrade without trading Tmac or Yao, you'd have to consider it.

 

Baron should come to the rockets, he luvs Kevjumba LOL

 

The only PGs I would trade McGrady for are Derron Williams and Chris Paul (the latter with a little hesitation because of his personality). But those are pipe dreams.

 

I agree with trading Tmac, lets just not do it for someone who gets hurt more than him, ala B. Davis.

 

Tracy has 183 games played and 0 first round series wins in the past 3 years.

Baron has 198 games played (including what looks to be a full 82 games this year) and 1 first round series win in the past 3 years.

I'd bet everything I have that Tracy will never play 82 games, ever.

And this isn't just me picking numbers out of thin air to make my argument. It's only logical to look at recent history, rather than back 5 or 6 years ago. But it should be said that for their careers, Baron plays 67.44 games per season and Tracy plays 68. Virtually no difference at all.

 

You may not, as if there was a possiblity?

I think people need to get their heads checked even if they consider it. Baron freaking Davis is overrated and a defenisive liability.

 

Tmac is an able defender if he wants to. Baron is a mess on the defensive end, reminds me of Francis. He picks up cheap fouls in bunch. If you question Tmac's shot selections, Braon's are much worse. No way we trade Tmac for that arrogant loser.

 

The only clear advantage Davis would bring vs Tmac is heart

 

True.
He's in a potential contract year.
Agreed, but would we have won more games with Baron instead of McGrady?

On McGrady for Davis:
All things equal, when you trade big for small, you usually lose.
All things equal, when you make a lateral move trade, you lose (strange as it sounds).
McGrady has far superior vision and decision making than BD.
BD does play more aggressive one-on-one defense, especially when motivated.
BD is a less reliable and potent scorer - This is a McGrady down year, and a Davis high year, and the numbers are almost equal.
Davis can be more of a leader, but also a bad teammate and malcontent at times. McGrady's just devoid of any leadership qualities.

In the end, I'm down on McGrady and would be fine seeing him moved in the off season for complimentary guys to put around a Yao-focused ballclub. We need leadership. JVG was a leader but also a dictator. McGrady leads no one, but on this team he wears the hat by default. Yao is too passive and deferring with McGrady, but should be the example that people follow.

Baron Davis is a poor choice for team leader, which he would be if traded for. He makes poor decisions, doesn't always have his head on right, and just doesn't have a game that would mesh with Yao.

I'd far rather move McGrady to Chicago for Hinrich + extras or Miami for Marion, Mike Redd, etc.

Again, PG is a precarious position. I'd rather sacrifice gaudy numbers for intelligent play. With Yao, a sharp shooter would be very nice, and Davis just isn't it. He's the polar opposite of a dedicated post passer.

Also to repeat myself again - don't dismiss the horrific Dream Team that he led as PG. His inability to facilitate anyone's game besides his own played a key part in their failure.

Evan

 

this is a big statement. assuming this is true, how about the other aspects of their games?

i have to admit this is very intriguing to me. very. if we perform poorly and mcgrady doesn't step it up, i'm willing to say maybe this yao-mcgrady thing is just not meant to be and it's time to try something different. and if you're willing to try someting different, this is a very decent proposal.

well, maybe we'd wait till the offseason to talk about topics like this.

 

btw, baron has always been on my well-liked player list. when people were hyping up sf3, i said baron was the best guard in that class and it's not even close.

 

If you call jacking up quick shots like a w**** heart.

 

Yeah DD, Tmac is nothing more than a tall Baron Davis

 

Last I checked, team Heaven were not trading their franchise player. But i would trade T-Mac for B Diddy and Azubuike and some scrubs. But to trade them straight up would be a loss on the rockets side, albeit a small loss.

 

I do, thats why I DONT want him, Joe Johnson all the way

 

I bet some of you guys who would make this trade haven't seen many Warriors' games this season and are living off the memories of last year's playoffs. BD is very talented but he makes a lot of bone-headed decisions that drive you crazy. His shot selection is no better and he plays very lazy when he isn't motivated. If BD wore his thinking cap every game, he would be 1st team all-NBA. But that is a pipe dream. He takes games off.

On the other hand, BD brings a toughness and physicality that Tracy isn't capable of. He enjoys beating up and steamrolling smaller PGs. But sometimes his emotions get the best of him and he commits the dumbest fouls known to mankind.

I'd think about this trade, but if you feel the Rockets can't win a championship with Tracy as their best player, this would also apply to BD. Both are superstar-level talents. One is held back by a lack of guts and toughness; the other is held back by his emotions.