Nelly benches Baron Davis in 2nd half of Phoenix game

Well, one of the players being discussed in this thread has done it...

 

I am not sure I understand you. Are you suggesting that Rafer Alston is better than Baron Davis? If so I can only say

 

I wouldn't want Davis period. PG is such a delicate role - stats just don't tell you the story. If they did, Stephon Marbury would be an All-NBA guy.

The worst thing you can do is bring in a PG with selfish tendencies and/or baggage. Davis has both. Don't forget how he helped run Team USA into the ground in the infamous World Championships with George Karl and Paul Pierce. San Fran papers chronicled how he can be a ****ty teammate (you can't be a divisive guy and run point) and was ruthless to Dunleavey, freezing him out often. No real coincidence that MD Jr's numbers have jumped in a big way since leaving.

Davis is only productive in a running, free-flowing offense where he's free to play without direction. I don't see how that meshes with the deliberate half-court game you're inherently forced to play with Yao. Baron has done poorly in half-court offenses his whole career, and this was one of the sources of friction between him and Paul Silas and him and Byron Scott.

DD, I know you hate Rafer's shooting. Bear in mind that Davis chucks more 3s at a worse percentage. The ill-advised shot that misses badly is a hallmark of his. That, and some of the worst free throw shooting you can get from a PG.

I have nightmares about the Rockets getting him, giving him an extension, and watching him go back to his Puffy the Point Guard days....

Evan

 

I think he is comparing Baron to T-Mac while comparing Rafer and the 2nd rounders to David and Ellis. He's basically saying T-Mac did more with less so no he is not saying Rafer is better than Baron.

 

DaDakota, thanks for bringing me over. Baron Davis for TMac would be an amazing deal. Both teams might be better off. Davis would be bring toughness, size, and consistent shooting. TMac would give the Warriors some amazing play making with his pin point passes to a host of shooters. Both have star power, and neither are that durable. I am on board, a shame we can't do it before the playoffs starts.

 

I don't think you'd wanna trade T-mac for Baron. First he's injury prone even more so than T-mac...hasn't played 70 games since '02 barring this yr. Second we would have to sign and trade for him which means he'll be on a long contract when we get him. And last his prime will not last through his entire deal which is likely 5 yrs. At least with Tracy his contract is set to expire in a couple years giving us the cap space we'll need at that time.

 

You bandwangoneers are funny because this is what Warrior fans think of Baron

Maybe its in the gamethread, I don't feel like combing thru it.

But what to make of Baron being benched for the 2nd half? It pretty much played out how you'd expect. No more bad shots, chucking 3's, warriors get back in it.

 

Here's another thing we like to do at Clutchfans.net: Back up our OPINIONS with solid arguments.

At this point in time, T-Mac is having the worst season of his career.

Baron is doing great.

I highly highly doubt T-Mac would be able to lead the Warriors to any more wins than they have right now.

Baron has had a few great seasons, and his supporting cast is horriffic. They're the best team outside of PF/C in the NBA. But their big men are worse than our PG's.

What about the SG spot though? We'd have to sign someone solid, or trade Alston and Head for a more defensive/steady SG? I think a Deshawn Stevenson type would fit in nicely.

 

What is this mythical 2nd round you speak of? It sounds interesting and I would like to hear more about it.

 

that's the first thought came to my mind before I clicked the thread.

I'm still not too sure, Davis does compete hard, but his shot selections are crazy, same goes with the whole GSW.

Besides, I don't know how his early-in-the-shot-clock 3s are gonna fit in with the Rockets. You dont wanna see Yao racing down the court just in time to see the ball clanks off the rim.

 

I love watching Baron play and have been one of the Tmac's biggest critics here this season.

But I wouldn't trade Tmac for Baron, for the simple fact that Tmac has a far superior bball IQ. To me, Baron has no chance of ever leading a team to a championship. If Tmac ever stays healthy and cares enough to play all-out through four straight series, he at least has a sliver of a chance.

 

How can you possibly consider this a knock on a guy who has actually advanced further in the playoffs than the guy you're comparing him to?

 

If he opts out I would break the bank for him, screw the luxury tax. In a half-court set with T-Mac and Yao that means 2 out of those 3 must be guarded one on one at all times. He might not be the most efficient in a set but with T-Mac and Yao thats a whole other story. 2 more shooters(Novak and Battier) at the same time and toilet scrubbers will need to be handed out cause we'll be leaving s*** stains on everyone.

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You can take the idea of trading T-Mac for Davis, shine it up real nice, turn it sideways, and you know the rest....

 

The grass is always greener....

 

I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion.

 

Yea, that's fresh. When both were in the East, one had the likes of Eddie Jones and Jamal Mashburn on his team while the other had Daryl Armstrong and while both were in the West, one had Stephen Jackson, Barnes, Richardson, and practically every guy on his team playing out of their minds. Can you say a SINGLE player on either Rockets team outside of Tracy stepped up his game in the playoffs? If you answered Yao, you are incorrect.

 

You forgot to mention Patrick Ewing, Jerryl Sasser, and a 300lb Shawn Kemp