umm... no. ne had 150 yds in penalties, on top of the fact that they were playing in indy. the pats looked horrible for 3 quarters today and still pulled out the win.
I'm not saying Harrison isn't a factor, but the fact is that he is a good WR, runs good routes, good speed, makes all the catches, but you don't have to worry about him taking over the game and destroying you like Moss.
so you're saying Harrison is just a good WR? not a hall of fame player? no in the same class as Moss?
Harrison is certainly a HOFer and very consistent, but as far as talent goes, Moss is in another class, he has the advantage in both size and speed and hands. If Randy Moss had been on the Colts with Manning and that offensive machine his whole career, his career would blow away Harrison's. Look what Moss did when he was a rookie on that 15-1 vikings team in'98, he was incredible, scoring 17 TDs as a rookie on a team with Cris Carter. Now he is on a great team again, and he is absolutely dominating the NFL. Harrison gets the job done and is consistent, but he doens't dominate like Moss does.
you mean when Moss wants to. That's why he'll never be the best receiver of all time. his lack of commitment. You realize he's been MIA for many years right? that's all on him. you can argue 'what ifs' all you want. its about what you have done. and Marvin has done more than Randy. Not because he's athletically better, but because of his work ethic and consistency. the Vikings didn't get rid of him because of his talent.
"Non Factor" Harrison vs Randy Moss 13,944 yards vs 11,479 yards 1,042 receptions vs 723 yards 123 TDs vs 112 TDs oh 1 superbowl vs 0 superbowls no what ifs in this comparison. just facts. so if you think Marvin Harrison was a NON FACTOR in a 4 point game, then so be it.
In five starts this season, Harrison has 20 catches for 247 yards and 1 touchdown. He's still a quality receiver, but he's lost a step, and he isn't the dominating, elite receiver that he was a year or two ago. In addition, his knee injury is considered chronic, and appears likely to hinder him for the rest of this season and possibly his career: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3092097 He's still a solid receiver, but the Colts need more than simply his return to win a game at Foxboro.
By that logic, was Jerry Rice the best receiver in the NFL, even at age 44? Would you have preferred him to Moss, Harrison or Owens? I think the debate here centers around what impact he could have this season, and that doesn't seem to be as great as the rest of his career. Also, you should consider the quarterback situations that Harrison and Moss have had when you post those numbers.
my argument was with the "NON FACTOR" label for this game (4 point game). I thought the thread was about WEEK 8, GAME OF THE CENTURY. Marvin Harrison out was a factor for THIS GAME, agree or not?
It's hard for me to say. It was definitely a factor that the Colts didn't have the Harrison of old... but that version of Marvin Harrison seems destined to be gone forever. I don't think having Harrison at clearly less than 100 percent (what he'll likely be for the remainder of this season) was much of a factor.
Considering that Reggie Wayne is on the opposite side of the field and that Harrison would've been playing while clearly hurt, yeah I do. I respect Harrison because he seems like a really great guy (unlike some others on that team), but did you watch him two weeks ago on Monday night at Jacksonville? He looked like a shell of his former self...
I agree with you there, Moss has been a head case. However, Moss is in his 10th season, he has 113 TDs, Harrison is in his 12th season and he has only 10 more TDs in 2 more yrs, and Moss was in Oakland for 2 yrs. If I'm going into a game against the Colts and Harrison is out, I think OK Harrison's out, big deal. If its against the Patriots and Moss is out, its wow Moss is out we dont have to worry about him destroying us. You worry about Randy Moss, not a Marvin Harrison.
He should also consider that Harrison has been in the league for 2 more seasons. I promise that if you ask every coach and def coord in the NFL, take both guys in their prime, Harrison and Moss, who scares you more, who do you have to worry about more and who would rather NOT face, it would be 100% Moss. And probably even T.O. over Harrison.
so he wasn't a factor in a 4 point game? he wouldn't catch a pass to keep a drive alive or catch a TD?
I think with Harrison the Colts win the game, but Moss played great. Without Moss, the Pats would have got killed, without Harrison, the Colts lost by 4. *shrug* it is what you make it. good game though, no?
You conveniently left out the fact that he played sparely in 2 of those games because of the knee injury that he is now sitting out. He may not be as good as he was during his prime, but he is still an elite receiver that would have changed the outcome of the game had he been healthy. But I'm not even sure that point is worth arguing as the espn article sadly says he may never be 100% percent again.
