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[NCAC] PRIVATE CENSORSHIP – FIGHTING SUPPRESSION OF SPEECH BY NON-GOVERNMENTAL ACTORS

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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    C'mon, there's more there than just that.

    Knowing you, I'd say you are deriding Youtube for letting his content stay on the site all that time while other people have their content taken down.
     
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    something like that. One day the guy has freedom to speak his mind and a platform though which to disseminate his (admittedly offensive views). But he had free speech.

    Now all of a sudden, not so much. What changed?
     
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    Honestly - they found his content. It's much harder for YouTube to parse millions of hours of video than for Twitter to use machine learning to scan and assess tweets. YouTube depends much more on someone reporting content - but a lot of these platforms depend on people reporting it. If he didn't get any views beforehand it's very unlikely that YouTube would be aware of these videos.
     
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    as a practical matter I will grant you this. On the other hand, it is very hard to remove someone's videos for straight political or race-related speech (in the absence of action). So his speech was tolerated for years.

    Now all of a sudden, the speech--which is exactly the same now as it's been for years--is not to be tolerated.

    Again, seems like there's some kind of weird double standard here.
     
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    Why Is Facebook Censoring Articles About How BLM Used Donations To Buy a $6 Million House?
    Reporting that makes Black Lives Matter look bad should not be covered up by social media companies.

    https://reason.com/2022/04/07/why-i...-blm-used-donations-to-buy-a-6-million-house/

    excerpt:

    It's not just that such censorship is bad in principle (it is!), but also that the censors are often wrong and clumsy when they attempt to deem what's true and false. Private companies like Twitter and Facebook/Meta have every right to decide their own content moderation policies, but it's not hard to notice patterns in who and what they choose to crack down on. It's not always that the information is incorrect, just that the reporting is embarrassing to favored political causes or complicates a prevailing narrative.

    It's unclear why an opulent 6,500-square-foot $6 million mansion is needed to end police brutality and bring about racial justice for black Americans. It's even more unclear why Facebook would want to hide this information from interested users, unless it sees its role as merely running interference for political allies, hiding credible journalism when it's damning to them.
    more at the link
     
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    https://reason.com/2022/04/13/police-play-disney-songs-to-keep-citizen-recordings-off-youtube/

    Police Play Disney Songs To Keep Citizen Recordings Off YouTube
    A Santa Ana police officer is the latest official to use YouTube's copyright infringement algorithm as a means to evade accountability.
    JOE LANCASTER | 4.13.2022 4:15 PM

    If you have a noisy neighbor who plays loud music when you're trying to sleep, you may feel you have no choice but to call the police. But what if the police are the ones playing the loud music?

    On April 4, in Santa Ana, officers responded to a report of a stolen car around 11 p.m. In a video of the events uploaded to the YouTube channel "Santa Ana Audits," the man filming approaches several parked police SUVs surrounding a car which he later identifies as a Porsche. Suddenly, after a period of filming, the sound of Randy Newman's "You've Got a Friend in Me," from the Toy Story soundtrack, starts playing through loudspeakers, seemingly from one of the police vehicles.

    As the playlist cycles through several other songs from Disney movies, neighbors come out of their homes and approach the officers, complaining about the noise. One of those is Johnathan Ryan Hernandez, a Santa Ana city councilman. Hernandez asks one officer, who is holding a cell phone still playing Disney songs, "What's going on with the music?" The officer indicates that the filming was "not letting us conduct our investigation"; when pressed further on why he's playing music, he gestures to the camera and says, "Because it'll be copyright infringement for him."

    Despite numerous court rulings upholding the right to record, police officers across the country continue to harass citizens who film them, even going so far as to try to grab phones and delete the footage themselves.

    But within the past couple of years, officers around the U.S. have been caught playing copyrighted music when encountering citizens with cameras. When the footage is uploaded to YouTube, the video site's algorithms can detect the presence of copyrighted content and pull the video down automatically. Many companies responsible for content creation are litigious, but especially Disney.

    Ultimately, Councilman Hernandez convinced the officer to both stop playing the music, and apologize to the man filming. But this is far from an isolated event: In fact, there are enough documented incidents that Vice coined the term "copyright hacking" to describe it. Last year in nearby Beverly Hills, officers played music by the Beatles and Sublime in apparent attempts to trigger social media copyright filters. In July, in Oakland, an officer played a Taylor Swift song and advised the person filming, "You can record all you want. I just know it can't be posted to YouTube." And in September, an Illinois officer indicated in an incident report that he "was recently advised" to play music while citizens filmed.

    While playing songs from children's movies may be less adversarial than grabbing someone's phone from their hands, the motivation is the same: to prevent themselves from being lawfully recorded while interacting with citizens. It still constitutes an abuse of power, and a violation of the public's trust. But it is also an example of the power to weaponize laws that apply too broad of a brush to certain issues. Incidentally capturing background music in a video is not a copyright violation, and it should not be treated as such by an overzealous algorithm.

    In 2019, Cory Doctorow dismissed the idea of playing copyrighted music during neo-Nazi rallies to prevent them from being posted online, since the tactic could be co-opted by anyone: "Are you a cop who's removed his bodycam before wading into a protest with your nightstick? Just play some loud copyrighted music from your cruiser and you'll make all the videos of the beatings you dole out un-postable."

    Thankfully, the filtering algorithms have a shaky track record: Every video mentioned above, including the one of an officer saying "[this] can't be posted to YouTube," are still available on YouTube or Instagram. And The Washington Post reported yesterday that the police department was investigating the incident in Santa Ana. But it seems clear that copyright laws need to change with the times, especially since agents of the state are using those laws to dodge accountability and hinder free speech.
     
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    The Reason is leaving out some key pieces:

     
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    it doesn't matter that there are two BLM organizations, only one of which is corrupt. The fact of the essay in Reason is that Facebook is censoring coverage of the corruption in one of those BLM organizations
     
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    It matters if the coverage of one is designed to defame the other - that would be libel.
     
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    Considering he is being charged with murdering people as a private entity don’t you think YouTube would have an interest in not being associated with him?

    That’s a pretty big change in his behavior.

    He never had the freedom to post whatever he wanted. He was posting stuff with the permission of YouTube they have the right to remove his content or allow it.
     
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    his speech was acceptable one day and then the next day it wasn't
     
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    Again being charged with murder would change things wouldn’t it?
     
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    not really, Putin is still on social media
     
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    and being charged with murder is not the same as being convicted of murder. "Innocent until proven guilty" and all that
     
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    and actually I don't believe he's been charged with "murder" as no one has died, at least not yet . . .
     
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    This is one of those issues that speech is only a part of it. As a private entity there is also association. The argument that YouTube found James acceptable before he was charged with murdering people so somehow they should now completely ignores the negative publicity and risk to the brand of a for private company.

    It would be like arguing that before the accusations came out against Matt Lauer NBC was fine with putting him on the air so what changed? Well something pretty big changed.

    This is the mistake again in believing that a private entity entity has an obligation to allow anything on their platform. Outside of a contractual agreement they don’t.
     
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    Correction charged with shooting multiple peolple.
     

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