I think most of the guys the Magic currently have a secondary are not 3rd options on a good team so I am not worried about their development and don't think he would hamper that if they are guys that you win with. And like I said I don't think Banchero has to be the focal point to maximize his potential if another proves to be the alpha.
its not about how many spots, its about the level of player. I happen to view jabari/chet as a cut above Paolo/ivey, I also think there's a large tier around 15-35 where the talent level is pretty similar. again its not about how many spots you move down, its about moving down within the same tier. so I see this trade as giving me a better player with my first pick and pretty much the same level of player with my second pick. if you happen to view the top 4 guys as pretty even, or if you think there is a break in tiers somewhere between the 17th and 34th picks, then I understand why you wouldn't want to do that trade.
I agree but if you are the GM how do you say that to the owner about the young prospects you’ve been selecting this whole time? They are trying to turn Fultz into Rondo and Suggs couldn’t shoot to save his life but he was also injured most of the year. Still, you burned a top 5 pick on him in a loaded draft. Cole was a hit for where they selected him and they are probably high on him for his leadership and statistical impact on the team. It’s not inconceivable he can become a star. You also have a center who was a top 10 pick and is finally starting to play to his potential and is a good playmaker at the C spot. And you just hit on Franz who can provide a very poor man’s version of what Paolo can be in terms of playmaking but also a legit defender and good 3pt shooter. Isaac was very promising before his injuries too. AND you have a young playmaking and steals specialist 6’9 forward in Okeke. That’s a lot of young talent. If you go Paolo I think it’s fair to say you need better spacing at the very least. It’s logical to draft Paolo and restart your rebuild with new players if you think he’s the only true alpha of the bunch. However I have a problem seeing a GM using that much high draft capital to essentially start over without immediately being on the hot seat. If you tell the owner none of the guys you drafted including the #5 and 8? pick last year are good a 3rd options on a good team you might as well be writing a resignation letter. The owner obviously has the final call but listen to the Magic owner talk about this draft he seems….old. At the end of the day the GM is making the call and too often job security is factored into that decision. Let me get a “safe” guy #1. I’m not afraid he completely busts and still has some upside. His floor spacing will make my other picks look better. Everyone wins I keep my job. I don’t think it’s any secret what either of us would do though if we owned the Magic.
If things go as planned with Jabari at 1, will be interesting to see whether or not OKC passes on Paolo. For all the Chet fans out there, he just might be there at 3. I still think Jabari is the best fit with Sengun, but Paolo is legit. Day one ready to go. Wouldn't be shocked if he went 1st. Gonna be fun to watch.
I’m going to guess OKC will do Paolo or Ivey. They always go against the mock. Those are presti style players. I also think Rockets prefer to paolo and Ivey. Chet will fall to 4.
Yep, we could have given the #5 to OKC last year and ended up #5 this year very easily. We are ahead of schedule.
This could definitely happen, and drafting Ivey or Paolo over Chet would send the GARM into meltdown mode
Magic also need #1 scoring option, that fits both Paolo and Jabari. But Magic draft profile favoring elite length and defense strongly suggests their target is Chet.
Magic should draft BPA just like Rockets should. If you believe Banchero is BPA then ORL, OKC and HOU should all covet him.
Can you imagine that? If all that we had to show for all of this losing the last two years was somebody like Shaedon Sharpe or Keegan Murray? I wouldn't mind adding either of those guys, but I feel a whole lot better about having Jalen Green and one of Chet, Jabari or Paolo.
all these posts about what could’ve happened or taking Ivey over Chet is imbuing this thread with bad juju lemme purify this thread real quick carry on
I don’t think this is right. by the same logic the Magic should have drafted Giddy last year. Or Franz with their first pick. so either they don’t go bpa or as we all know not every team is great at drafting. moreover, I think lots of teams use tiering a lot. And then go fit/need within tier. It’s very conceivable teams had all 3 in one tier. Or 2 in a tier etc. Personally I think Chet and Paolo have a pretty equal opportunity to end up the best player in this draft. I could be convinced it’s 52% Paolo / 48% Chet … but even if I believed that I’d still pick Chet if I was the GM of the Rockets. Because they’re the same tier, basically the same upside/probability of being that guy but Chet just fits so much better. I would NEVER do that though with two players in different tiers. EDIT: I really do t watch enough Magic to know for sure if they are all tiered the same which guy is the best fit. My IMMEDIATE thought when they got the top pick actually was that they should take Paolo cause they seemed to need that engine more than anything and have Jabari/Chet esque guys already (just not as good theoretically). I mean… aren’t Carter, Bamba, Isaac all in that tall, skinnier, defense first type mold? That can all potentially be 3&D esque guys? Even Franz who isn’t defense first but is in that tall skinny three point shooter mold. but within 30 minutes everyone was saying Jabari so idk.
There is no tier that comprises 15-35 that just makes no sense whatsoever and even if you believe there is a gap between Jabari/Chet there is a far greater gap between 17 and 35. I really can't believe you are still trying to say there is a tier that encompasses 17-35 there are several tiers in between those spots depending on the draft.
Wow! It just hit me. With the emergence of Nix and Queen, the Rockets basically got 6 first round picks last draft. Also, maybe the real Garuba doobie shows up this season and takes his rightful place as this teams defensive PF? That's what's needed next to Wood/Sengun. That's what's needed on this team. More defensive options. Sochan/Eason
Not really sure where to share this, but this thread seems as good as any. So my company is working with an NBA team (as we've done in the past) on evaluating draft prospects. What I can share is, we don't evaluate their playing skills, more looking at them from a people perspective. The team we're working with is more or less +/- 7 draft spots from our 2nd pick. The mix of players that they're looking at don't necessarily fit into the majority of mocks you're seeing. What's probably most interesting are the players not on their radar. If you look at Tankathon's mock (as an example) https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft between picks 10-25 there are only 3 players in that range they're looking at 3/16 or 18.75%. When I compared that to nbadraft.net https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/ same criteria as above it was slightly better 5/16 or 31.25%. What I'd hope you glean from this is essentially, media projections may not be in tune with certain or most NBA teams. We all know that the team's have a lot more info than us and the media. Some of these Twitter pundits are just speculators, believe them as much as you would someone trying to convince you of the next great penny stock to go all in on.
Nix and Queen have only “emerged” in the G-League so far, so I’m not going to say they’re steals or first round gems yet. Let’s see what they do this year.
