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[NCAA Football] Nov. 30 Polls & BCS Rankings

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by King of 40 Acres, Nov 30, 2008.

  1. fredred

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    Not quite. Texas gets to go to a BCS bowl over Tech by the same mechanism they don't get to go to the National Title game over OU: BCS rankings.
     
  2. fredred

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    So basically, UT gets screwed by computers one week and voters the next. Brilliant.
     
  3. The Cat

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    Unless I'm missing something, it has nothing to do with that. Texas would be in the top four (top three, actually) and have an automatic spot.
     
  4. leroy

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    No one who plays 2 mediocre Div 1-AA teams deserves to be considered...pile that on top of the only loss being by 44 points and you're lucky to even be in the conversation for a BCS game.
     
  5. The Cat

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    Well, I think Florida would have to win ugly and OU win by about 5 billion. The biggest problem with staying ahead of Florida is their likelihood of splitting the #1 votes. For that scenario to work (which I agree is incredibly unlikely) Oklahoma would need to be a consensus #1.
     
  6. Jebus

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    except Texas is currently #3 in the BCS rankings, and looks like they'll remain in the top 3. (If alabama beats florida, things will probably stay the same in the top 3. If Florida beats alabama, then alabama will probably fall below Texas)

    All of the top 3 teams in the BCS rankings are guaranteed spots in the BCS as stated here.
    so Texas would be going to the BCS based on the BCS rules. No name recognition required. Tech really has no argument here.

    Now as I understand it, if Texas falls to #4 in the BCS (most likely by florida beating alabama in a close game, resulting in florida moving ahead of Texas and alabama only falling to #3), then the BCS would be choosing between Texas and Tech. In that case, I guess it could be argued that Tech fans would have a grievance, although I'd counter that they shouldn't schedule so many I-AA teams, and shouldn't have gotten totally embarrassed late in the season on national TV.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Interesting, what if OU is 1 and Tex is 2 and Florida is 3 in the human polls?

    DD
     
  8. Major

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    Exactly - so the "system" (BCS) both benefited and hurt Texas this year. Despite beating OU head-to-head, they lost out. Despite losing to Tech head-to-head, they will win out.
     
  9. Major

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    Sorry - I should have clarified. The BCS is based partly on polls, and polls are based partly on name recognition. A team like Texas or OU is going to get more benefit of the doubt in polls than a team like Texas Tech, whether fair or not. Just look at Utah - they are undefeated with similar schedule strength and more wins over ranked teams than Alabama - but they are nowhere close to the BCS because they are Utah.

    Tech lost big to OU, but even if they had lost by 1 on the road, they were going to drop quite a bit - simply because they are Tech. Same reason Texas was #1 over Alabama when undefeated but Tech was only #2 after beating Texas and crushing OSU.
     
  10. Major

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    In that scenario, Texas is definitely in, because they'll be ahead in both the polls and computers. But unless something really weird happens, OU and Florida are going to be some combination of #1 and #2 in the polls.
     
  11. Major

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    I'd also like to point out that the "Tech really has no argument here" should apply to Texas then also. OU is going to the B12 based on the B12 Tiebreaker and BCS rules - but Texas fans still think it's unfair. Either they both have a legit gripe if you feel the BCS system doesn't work right or neither does if you think it does work right.
     
  12. WhoMikeJames

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    I'm not following this at all, but... Is a Texas-OU National Championship still possible?
     
  13. MadMax

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    it was my understanding there would be no math.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Yes....but according to Major...not likely.

    Some articles think differently.

    DD
     
  15. gucci888

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    Yes...according to the computers.

    No...when you factor in all the human votes that will vote Florida in (no matter how they look vs. Bama).

    IIRC, a BCS rep during the season basically came out and said that 2 teams in the Big 12 will not play each other in the NC game.
     
  16. rocketfan83

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    Tech did have Tulsa scheduled but they backed out last second. We had to replace them with a D2 school to fill the spot. Just an fyi
     
  17. Joe Joe

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    UT fan here. If UT wanted to go to Big 12 Championship game, the fair way would have been to beat Tech. I have to say, I like divisions for scheduling purposes, but wish the Big 12 championship game at least tried to take the two best teams instead of the current system of division winners.

    Go Missouri! You are the Big 12's last hope to prevent OU from embarrassing the conference once again in a BCS bowl.
     
  18. rimrocker

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    Anything that depends on judges is not a sport.

    Diving? Not a sport. Gymnastics? Not a sport.

    College football? Not a sport.

    If you're not allowed to establish a winner on the field and instead have to be concerned with votes and personal, financial, and political agendas, you have something akin to synchronized swimming.
     
  19. Jebus

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    no, because Texas fans' gripe is not with the BCS. It's with the Big XII tiebreaker system.
     
  20. zoork34

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    Even if there is a playoff, you still have to have "judges" that put the top 8 in that playoff. Unless every single school plays each other (obviously impossible), there is going to be a certain amount of "judging" involved in college football no matter how the champion is decided.
     

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