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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, May 6, 2008.

  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    Word is this morning that not only did she cancel all her morning show appearances, but she's canceled all public events today.

    that's big
     
  2. mc mark

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    Seems McCain still can't close the deal with his own party.

    via HufPo --

    McCain's Rough Night Overshadowed By Clinton's

    In the GOP primaries in North Carolina and Indiana, the basically uncontested Republican nominee did not gain more than 80 percent of the vote.

    In Indiana, McCain earned the backing of 78 percent of Republican primary voters, with exited candidates Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney gaining 10 percent and five percent respectively. Congressman Ron Paul, who is still in the race, has received seven percent of the vote.

    The numbers were even worse in North Carolina, where McCain won 74 percent of the vote, with Huckabee earning 12 percent, Paul earning seven percent, and four percent of Republican primary goers simply voting "no preference."

    None of these totals, to be sure, will affect the Arizona Republican's almost certain path to the nomination. But it has been more than two months now since McCain became the presumptive GOP candidate, and in each state election since he achieved that measure he has continued to lose a relatively substantial chunk of Republican support. In Pennsylvania, for example, McCain won 73 percent of the vote, with Paul pulling in 16 and Huckabee 11.

    The troubling figures, however, may be the popular vote totals - individuals who McCain will theoretically have to woo back into his good graces. In North Carolina more than 105,000 Republicans did not vote for McCain. And in Indiana, 85,000 voters - whether they were Republican, Democrat or Independent - cast their ballots for someone other than the Arizona Republican.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/mccains-rough-night-overs_n_100514.html
     
  3. Major

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    But at the same time, she's expanded her WV events this week. She's meeting with superdelegates to see if she can go on today - so that's probably why everything is cancelled. I assume she'll come to the conclusion she can.

    And, for what it's worth, she's going to have blowout wins (30+ pts) in WV and KY, I think, so she can start the "I'm back!" narrative next Tuesday with WV and neutralize his Oregon win (probably about 10 pts) with KY on the same day.
     
  4. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    I hope they both see the light and do what would unify the party going into the general election... an Obama/Clinton ticket.




    Impeach Bush.
     
  5. ROXRAN

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    I appreciate that Hillary is in it to win it...I plea for Hillary to further gain my respect by not quitting due to the urging of those who want the simple path. She is in it, willing to fight to the end for what she believes in. I respect that, and she is my choice to win it...
     
  6. Achilleus

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    We thank you very sweetly, for doing it so neatly...
     
  7. Roxfan73

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    What do I win? Can I be in your cabinet in 2036?
     
  8. mc mark

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    Waiting to see what Super dels do this morning....
     
  9. Lil Pun

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    Obama is about 200 delegates away from claiming while Clinton is about 400. With only South Dakota, Kentucky, and Oregon left along with the superdelegates how much of a shot does Clinton really have at coming back and claiming this thing?
     
  10. lpbman

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    Unless a youtube video appears with Obama stomping Christian puppies, Clinton has no chance.
     
  11. pirc1

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    I think Clinton needs to think about exit strategy now.
     
  12. Lil Pun

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    Waiting for Trader, texxx, or basso to post a video or story claiming this has happened. LOL! ;)
     
  13. Harrisment

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    It's impossible for her to win.
     
  14. mc mark

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    Obama campaign's letter to Super Dels this morning --

    TO: Superdelegates

    FROM: David Plouffe, Campaign Manager
    RE: An Update on the Race for Delegates
    DA: May 7, 2008

    There are only six contests remaining in the Democratic primary calendar and only 217 pledged delegates left to be awarded. Only 7 percent of the pledged delegates remain on the table. There are 260 remaining undeclared superdelegates, for a total of 477 delegates left to be awarded.

    With North Carolina and Indiana complete, Barack Obama only needs 172 total delegates to capture the Democratic nomination. This is only 36 percent of the total remaining delegates.

    Conversely, Senator Clinton needs 326 delegates to reach the Democratic nomination, which represents a startling 68 percent of the remaining delegates.

    With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days. While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers, and donors.

    We believe it is exceedingly unlikely Senator Clinton will overtake our lead in the popular vote and in fact lost ground on that measure last night.

    However, the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric for deciding the nominee – since each campaign based their strategy on the acquisition of delegates. More importantly, the rules of the nomination are predicated on delegates, not popular vote.

    Just as the Presidential election in November will be decided by the electoral college, not popular vote, the Democratic nomination is decided by delegates.
    If we believed the popular vote was somehow the key measurement, we would have campaigned much more intensively in our home state of Illinois and in all the other populous states, in the pursuit of larger raw vote totals. But it is not the key measurement.

    We played by the rules, set by you, the D.N.C. members, and campaigned as hard as we could, in as many places as we could, to acquire delegates.

    Essentially, the popular vote is not much better as a metric than basing the nominee on which candidate raised more money, has more volunteers, contacted more voters, or is taller.

    The Clinton campaign was very clear about their own strategy until the numbers become too ominous for them. They were like a broken record , repeating ad nauseum that this nomination race is about delegates. Now, the word delegate has disappeared from their vocabulary, in an attempt to change the rules and create an alternative reality.

    We want to be clear – we believe that the winner of a majority of pledged delegates will and should be the nominee of our party. And we estimate that after the Oregon and Kentucky primaries on May 20, we will have won a majority of the overall pledged delegates According to a recent news report, by even their most optimistic estimates the Clinton Campaign expects to trail by more than 100 pledged delegates and will then ask the superdelegates to overturn the will of the voters.

    But of course superdelegates are free to and have been utilizing their own criteria for deciding who our nominee should be. Many are deciding on the basis of electability, a favorite Clinton refrain. And if you look at the numbers, during a period where the Clinton campaign has been making an increasingly strident pitch on electability, it is clear their argument is failing miserably with superdelegates.

    Since February 5, the Obama campaign has netted 107 superdelegates, and the Clinton campaign only 21. Since the Pennsylvania primary, much of it during the challenging Rev. Wright period, we have netted 24 and the Clinton campaign 17.

    At some point – we would argue that time is now – this ceases to be a theoretical exercise about how superdelegates view electability. The reality of the preferences in the last several weeks offer a clear guide of how strongly superdelegates feel Senator Obama will perform in November, both in building a winning campaign for the presidency as well as providing the best electoral climate across the country for all Democratic candidates.

    It is important to note that Senator Obama leads Senator Clinton in superdelegate endorsements among Governors, United States Senators and members of the House of Representatives. These elected officials all have a keen sense for who our strongest nominee will be in November.

    It is only among D.N.C. members where Senator Clinton holds a lead, which has been rapidly dwindling.

    As we head into the final days of the campaign, we just wanted to be clear with you as a party leader, who will be instrumental in making the final decision of who our nominee will be, how we view the race at this point.

    Senator Obama, our campaign and our supporters believe pledged delegates is the most legitimate metric for determining how this race has unfolded. It is simply the ratification of the D.N.C. rules – your rules – which we built this campaign and our strategy around.

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/obama-memo-to-superdelegates/
     
  15. rimrocker

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    Results:

    As of now, the margin in NC is 14.7 and the margin in IN is 1.4.

    We'll ignore the leftover absentee ballots and work from those numbers.

    Here are the predictions, NC first and IN second. Since there was not a single prediction for Clinton winning NC, all numbers in the first column refere to Obama's predicted margin:

    mc mark +9 +2 Obama
    weslinder +16 +8 Clinton
    A_3PO Same as weslinder, but IN "might" be closer.
    Major +18 +6 Clinton
    jgreen91 +17 +2 Clinton
    Zac D +12 +5 or 6 Clinton
    FranchiseBlade +16 +7 Clinton (but Hillary might do better)
    rimrocker (that's me) +14 +3 Clinton
    FranchiseBlade again +4 +11 Clinton
    Roxfan 73 +16 +1 Obama
    Nolen +10 +8 Clinton

    Before we get to the winners, I'm heaping derision at FranchiseBlade on principle for changing both picks for the worse.

    As to the winners, it looks like I win NC since nobody picked 15. Yea me!

    And for IN, it's once again that jgreen91 guy. Congrats.
    Honorable mention goes to Roxfan 73 for getting the margin right... he just picked the wrong winner.

    The overall winner is me again for coming closest in both. The total margin of victory last night was 16.1 and I had 17. Zac D could have had 17 as well, but I'm disqualifying him because he hedged on the IN margin. And again, Roxfan 73 had the right margin but the wrong victor in IN. Curiously, FranchiseBlade performs well here with his second picks, even though they are the opposite of the real result.

    So, yea me again!
     
    #155 rimrocker, May 7, 2008
    Last edited: May 7, 2008
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    HI, IM GONNA GO VOTE FOR HILLARY THOUGH I DESPISE HER :rolleyes:
     
  17. weslinder

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    Typical democrat. You never want to count all the votes. (I kid. I kid.)
     
  18. gifford1967

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    Looks like the wave may be starting to break-

    WASHINGTON — Barack Obama pocketed the support of at least four Democratic convention superdelegates on Wednesday, building on the momentum from a convincing North Carolina primary victory.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/obama-gains-superdelegate_n_100655.html
     
  19. weslinder

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    McGovern was the first to announce today. Methinks Obama should have discouraged him.

    From your blog post:
    Where does the half-delegate come from?
     
  20. mc mark

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    I believe in some primaries or caucus' delegates are split in half.

    For instance in Guam there are 8 voting districts but only 4 delegates so each district gets half a delegate.
     

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