[NBC] Trump becomes first prez in years to not visit troops on Christmas

Astrodome · Dec 28, 2018

Sweet Lou 4 2 said: ↑

Seems they were saying the military should not be politicized and expressed surprise the troops did that, and that they imagine their commanders won't be happy. They said Trump should take responsibility for politicizing the military. They don't seem harsh at all. The CNN host even said isn't this just some guy with a hat in their locker taking a chance to get an autograph? What's the big deal? And he let the experts explain.

I just think it's a shame that we can't have an educated discussion about what is appropriate for the military in terms of politics without it turning into "OMG them liberals are attacking our troops FOR SHAME!
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Again, no one said they attacked the troops. It was a non story. Now some troops are probably in trouble.

Sweet Lou 4 2 · Dec 28, 2018

Astrodome said: ↑

I really didn't say they attacked the troops but they were critical of the troops bringing hats to get signed. I dont know who the guests were but one seemed to be affiliated with CNN but idk. He said it was against protocol and the commanders should look into it. The lady said it should have never happened and the soldiers should be disciplined. Acosta agreed it was inappropriate but in my eyes it really was a non-story other than an avenue to get in a few more shots at trump at the expense of getting a few troops in hot water.
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Acosta didn't take a position one way or the other. And no one suggested they should be disciplined. I listened to the clip twice. And they spent all of about 45 seconds talking about it.

It's strange that you are getting a very different story from the same 45 seconds

Sweet Lou 4 2 · Dec 28, 2018

Astrodome said: ↑

Again, no one said they attacked the troops. It was a non story. Now some troops are probably in trouble.
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Politicizing the military is a story - it's been our military's history to never be politicized and to remain that way for very important reasons. Anyway, it's really up to the military to decide whether it's a big deal or not - not you, not me, not the press.

vlaurelio · Dec 28, 2018

Astrodome said: ↑

Now some troops are probably in trouble.
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so they are probably in trouble because what they did was wrong/illegal/against some policy/directive/rule/law right?

NewRoxFan · Dec 28, 2018

Astrodome said: ↑

Again, no one said they attacked the troops. It was a non story. Now some troops are probably in trouble.
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OKL, so CNN didn't attack the troops. Curious what your opinion is of trump using the meeting to thank troops for their service to instead campaign for his wall, attack Democrats, and outright lie about military pay raises?

NewRoxFan · Dec 28, 2018

The troops know trump is a liar... perhaps that is why the troops disapprove of trump at about the same ratio as the broader population.

In Iraq visit, Trump makes false claims about military pay again

“You haven’t gotten one in more than 10 years. More than 10 years!” he told a crowd of applauding service members during his remarks at Al Asad Air Base in Iraq on Wednesday. “And we got you a big one. I got you a big one.” Trump has repeatedly claimed that troops hadn’t seen a pay raise during President Barack Obama’s time in the White House. In fact, troops have seen a pay raise of at least 1 percent every year for more than 30 years.
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The president also appeared to claim he pushed for a 10 percent pay raise in 2019, even though the actual rate his administration publicly supported and eventually got approved was only 2.6 percent. “[People said] we could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent," he told the troops. “I said, ‘No, make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent.’ Because it’s been a long time. It’s been more than 10 years. That’s a long time.” The 2018 military pay raise, approved in Trump’s first year in office, was 2.4 percent. It was the largest the military had seen in eight years, but followed a federal formula matching the expected rise in civilian sector wages for the year.
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In some cases over the last 10 years, the annual military pay hikes have been lower than those comparable salaries, leading to a gap in the wages of troops and their non-military peers. But military pay has increased annually every year dating back to the early days of President Ronald Reagan’s administration. Trump also claimed he had to fight for the higher pay raises, despite the fact that they passed with bipartisan support in both the House and Senate. “They had plenty of people that came up, they said, ‘You know, we could make [the military raise] smaller,’” he said. Trump’s initial pay raise proposal for 2018 was only 2.1 percent, which would have matched the final pay raise passed during the Obama administration. Lawmakers overrode that proposal by Trump, approving the higher 2.4 percent mark.
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Trump told the deployed troops that their increased salaries were well deserved. He noted that the fiscal 2019 defense budget totals $716 billion, a significant increase over the previous year, and promised that in fiscal 2020 the figure will go “even a little bit higher.” Just two months ago, Trump proposed trimming the defense budget back to $700 billion in fiscal 2020 before military and congressional leaders lobbied him to aim higher in his budget negotiations. “We can’t play cheap with our warriors or military,” Trump told the crowd. “We can’t play cheap with victory. And we’re not going to.”
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