[NBC Sports] Raptors' preference for a Chris Bosh sign-and-trade

only problem with that is even with those players and numbers, we werent a playoff team this past yr.. ur a championship contender with Bosh

 

The cost will be too high. I wouldn't give up any combination of Martin/Scola/Brooks for Tracy McBosh.

I'm telling all of you that the Raptors have more leverage here than you think and they are not going to take anything less than two starter-quality players + draft picks and/or expirings for Bosh.

 

lol..

 

Maybe they mean he played in the Euro League or they believe he's Italian.

 

No way man...Raptors have very little control here. You really think Bosh would agree to a S&T knowing that the Rockets will lose that much talent? The Raptors can easily lose out on getting nothing in return for Bosh. Heck, getting a 2nd round draft pick is better than nothing. Raptors cant demand that much...theyll be out of luck if that happens.

 

Scola's not black???

 

or euro league

 

that would be chalmers and beasley + torontos pick back they gave to miami awhile back

 

I like our team, and I'd rather keep making good moves than to commit to a few bad contracts from which we'll take years to recover, but we do need to seriously upgrade a couple of positions... any two, except center. To do this, we will have to reach a bit. It's not about being Pretty Darn Good. I don't want to have to look back on the Good Ole Days, that year when we lost in round three 4-1.

 

I think he meant Scola is a Euro player, the only time he ever played for Argentina was in the Olympics.

 

If Chris Bosh wants to come to Houston, chances are the Raptors would be fine with a package of Hill + 1st rounders & (Jeffries / Andersen expirings). I don't think anything more would be included except maybe Budinger as a sweetener if it came down to that, which I don't think it will.

I don't see Martin/Scola/Brooks going anywhere in a Bosh deal.

 

That would be very nice.....do you think they would take Scola instead of Hill?

Or do you believe they want to rebuild around younger talent?

Scola would be great to keep, but if we got Bosh, I really would like to have Hill as his backup.

Either way, that would be a great deal...IMHO.

DD

 

I really dont think Toronto's gonna want expirings for CB4. There was a big need to clear cap space last season for this year's free agency class. I think Toronto will want some serious assets which will likely include Scola, Hill, Battier/Ariza, and future picks

 

My only trusted source for Chris Bosh information is from DasouthDakota.

 

It's much eaiser to find a Scola, a Battier, a Brooks than Bosh. Those role players can be find in every draft.

 

I think the Raptors would rather have Hill because if they are giving up Bosh, they are rebuilding and would rather rebuild with a Big like Hill and not a 30+ Scola with mileage and a larger contract. Plus for the Raptors, they could use Hill and Ed Davis to pair with Bargnani.

If we are fortunate to get Bosh, then Scola would be our super 6th man. And Patterson would see minutes at the 4 and the 5 spot. I would guess we would also look to see what other FA centers are available and certainly Brad Miller would be at the top of the list.

 

Yup man, the only problem there is that, Scola is going to sign what a 4 year 9M per year??? Does Toronto what that??? I wish, but I don´t know....

For the people that say that Scola has to agree to be sign and traded, that is not a problem, knowing Scola, he would understand and with Bosh in, he would not be a starter anymore, so going to Toronto would make him a starter four life the problem is, does Toronto want his (possible) big contract???

Toronto has almost nothing to gain in a S&T scenario, but they prefer almost nothing, then nothing, so to the trade to occur, if Bosh wants Houston, it is probably a very easy scenario to predict, expiring contract(s), a young stud (Hill/Budinger) or Scolas contract, plus one NYK pick

And if this happens, we still have enough assets, to do another S&T, and that is what we will see, who is he going to go for.

I still believe DM is going for LBJ, because we have one asset in particular that the Cavs like, TREVOR ARIZA, plus a draft pick by the knicks, plus our own picks, plus, at least one expiring contract, plus one young stud (Hill or Budinger) ATTENTION: people say that cavs do not want a S&T, but we have enough things that teams that are going to rebuild want, and I AM NOT SAIYNG THAT IT S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN

For me the S&T with Toronto, is going to be the ease part, the problem is going to be making Bosh, ignore the hype, about Miami, Chicago and Knicks, but let´s see

DM GO TO WORK, BABY

PeAcE

 

That's what I figure. The other thing Toronto probably will want are the Knicks picks. I'm guessing what may happen if Bosh ends up in Houston is that things might not be completed until everyone knows what happens to the Knicks' pursuit of the big time FAs.

 

Look for the Raptors to want Hill, Llull and a Knick pick as far as a return for Bosh. The rest is salary filler. For sure Jeffries or Ariza, hopefully not Battier.

Best realistic case: Jeffries + Andersen + Hayes + Hill + Llull

Average realistic case: Ariza + Jeffries + Hill + pick

Worst realistic case: Battier + Ariza + Hill + pick.

 

Let's be clear: Toronto being willing to do a sign and trade make no difference to anyone's chances. Not the Rockets, not anyone's. It remains, as it always was, Bosh's decision. If Bosh picks a team with cap room, he / the Raptors / his new team have a choice: He can still be signed and traded (and net 30M extra), or he can leave outright, costing Bosh 30M, costing his new team less, and leaving Toronto with nothing but cap room themselves.

If he picks a team without cap room, his only option is to go via sign and trade.

However, it was ALWAYS in Toronto's interests to do SNT, whether the trade partner has cap room or does not. It was ALWAYS in Bosh's interest to do SNT, regardless of whether he goes to a team with cap room or not, so that he can get the extra year and bigger raises.

The key is that the Raptors can sign and trade INTO another team's cap space. Let's say that Bosh wants to play for team X, say, a fictitious team called "the Beat", who has room under the cap to sign a free agent to a max deal. He can sign outright, or the Raptors and the Beat can do a sign and trade whereby Bosh gets 6 years (versus 5) and 10.5% raises (versus 8%), thus netting Bosh about 30M extra. The Beat gets Bosh, albeit at a higher price than if he signs outright with them, but never mind, they are happy to have him at any price, even though they are going to be so broke that their will have to fill out their roster with Antoine Walker, the beer guy, their Turbo rip off, and the soon to be out of a job Eric Spolstra. The Raptors get a trade exception worth like $16 million dollars, which they can use all at once or in pieces to do a trade with another team.

Bosh could pick a team with no cap room, and who cannot sign him outright. Unlike as with the Beat, the Raptors must like what that team has to offer for the Raptors to be willing to do the trade. In our case, to the extent that (1) Bosh prefers the Rockets (minus whatever they give up in a trade) and (2) the Raptors like the trade assets on offer better than a trade exception, then it is good news for the Rockets.

That said, Toronto was ALWAYS going to try to do a sign and trade, as would Bosh, and nothing precludes them from doing a SNT with a team that has cap room.

So I don't think anything has changed.