The problem with this war is how much under the microscope it is. Actually our news media is doing a good job of trying to sanitize the horrors of this war for us. Where are the aerial photos of blocks and blocks of desolationin Fallujah. Every now and then there is a breakdown and an embedded news person sees something. I suspect there are few who have the balls to go against the flow Here's another story where a reporter showed our guys killing unarmed people trying to swim the river to escape the carnage in Fallujah. The problem with the under reporting of our atrocities and brutality is that it seemingly makes no sense when the Iraqis who we claim to love and be trying to help just want us to leave asap. >>>>>>>>>> I decided to swim ... but I changed my mind after seeing U.S. helicopters firing on and killing people who tried to cross the river." He watched horrified as a family of five was shot dead as they tried to cross. Then, he "helped bury a man by the river bank, with my own hands." "I kept walking along the river for two hours and I could still see some U.S. snipers ready to shoot anyone who might swim. I quit the idea of crossing the river and walked for about five hours through orchards." He met a peasant family, who gave him refuge in their house for two days. Hussein knew a driver in the region and sent a message to another AP colleague, Ali Ahmed, in nearby Ramadi. >>>>>>>>> link
This isn't ok. It's not ok when it's done to us, and it certainly isn't ok when we do it to others. For those trying to somehow justify this, please don't. It doesn't make anyone look better, and makes of us look worse.
im sickened by the fact that people in here are trying to legitimize murder. "It's okay, he was probably a bad person anyway, the skin gives it away." (translation: I support the death penalty if there is at least a 51% chance of guilt) "I have no sympathy for terrorists." "Showing this off only hurts our troops and hurts us in winning the war." the guy was trying to defend his homeland, whether you think he was doing it for the right reason or not. Our country was founded by these types of people who died for their country (unless you thought the boston massacre victims were terrorists). Don't tell me for a second that if we got invaded you wouldn't fight tooth and nail the same way they do. I swear, our revenge and bloodlust after 9/11 has seriously gotten out of hand that we don't care how brown people to get killed. second, just because he's our troop doesn't grant him immunity. Ive heard people here say that if the muslim leaders had a problem with the bad seeds in their religion they should say something about it, I think the same responsibility falls on us. And, just because he's an "insurgent," which idiots think is synonymous with "terrorist", doesn't mean he should have a bullet fired into his face. Again, our country was founded by insurgents. before i'm done ranting on deaf ears, if you want to put this in a "reporting this only hurts our efforts," argument, this video will be played all over the area, and until we strongly denounce it, its only going to be harder to win over hearts and minds. Then again, i don't think we are there to win hearts and minds, and those using it as an excuse for the war are only doing it as a counter-argument towards liberals. I don't know why so many people act like we actually care about their culture and country, but when it comes to clear-cut cold-blooded murder, we are willing to let it slide.
I'm so glad you've been to Iraq and talked with the people and had them tell you they want us to leave. I knew we were nothing but zionist, fascist AmeriKKKan oppressors. I am not condeming the actions of the soldier, but having never been to Iraq since the war started (I assume) you really have as little idea as the rest of us do about what really is going on. You may be 100% right, but since you can't prove it and I can't prove they want us there, all we'll end up with is an argument, not a debate. We need to put things into perspective. It's amazing how when someone beheads an American, it's our fault and when an American kills an Iraqi that also is our fault. Shouldn't EVERYONE (including the...*gasp*...TERRORISTS) take responsibility for their own actions? Maybe I should go into take my Philosophy test on Friday without studying and then blame the professor for not making me want to study. After all, the problem couldn't be with me right?
Now, when people talk about "the Liberal Media", THIS is what they're talking about. They splash this crap across the headlines just try to create conflict. Anything to sell a paper -- droxford
BREAKING NEWS U.S. troops have been filmed shooting and killing Iraqi insurgents. "I don't understand it!" said Abu Nallah. "I was not doing anything, just minding my own business, reloading my automatic weapon! I had not fired on them for at least two minutes, and then they shot at me!" U.S. Colonel Steve Andrews said, "To respect the rights of the Iraqi insurgents, we were ordered not to return fire. Our orders were to respond to their gunfire and mortar attacks with harsh language, mean faces, and really obscene finger gestures. It appears that one of our soldiers was painting daisies on his weapon when it accidentally went off." Human rights activists are outraged at the battle. "The U.S. troops have absolutely no respect for the rights of these individuals," said Calvin Freelove, human rights activist. "We should all realize that these are very troubled people who have endured terrible things. Only when we try to understand their feelings and help them in their plight will we get them to stop firing RPG's at our soldiers." Freelove has stated that his excessive use of mar1juana has not influenced his views. "Hey - they wear sandals. I wear sandals. It's all love, man." We take you now to Cliff Rockman who is live in Iraq. He will present us with lots of gut-wrenching, graphic images in order to trigger an emotional response. Cliff? -- droxford
i agree completly. the USA invaded this country. so they are defending theyr country. Things like this happen in a war. so that is why i'm against a unjustified war. It will be harder to win the sympathy of the people of iraq after this.
Fallujah is less than 50 miles from Baghdfad. Even if we don't get the real story and Fox news and the timid msainstream media remains timid keeping the pro war crowd largely ignorant and happy here in the US; even if this case will be blown off as a "bad apple" like the Bush gang did with Abu Graib; even if we shut down Al Jazeera; even if Fox and other's proclaim that all the folks in Falluja fighting us were outside foreigners like we of course are, too, there are still enough Iraqis who are eye witnesses to our brutality that the word gets around. A Time Magazine reporter who was embedded said on "Hardball" that we have basically lost the hearts and minds and that the guerillas can move at near will around virtually all the country hidden by the supportive populace.
you claim we're in iraq in order to pacify the entire middle east, if that's the case, he's still defending his homeland. and if not the middle east, then he's defending his country pre-emptively.
Huh? When all those other nations continually defy UN sanctions and potentially pose a threat to us, then we might come after them. The idea is to cultivate a democracy in Iraq without the communist Domino Theory which relied on continual conquests.
It was a Stripes reference. You had caught the one about Francis/Psycho. The Sarge in the movie says 'Lighten up Franis. I think he was just making another Stripes reference.
Oh, thanks for sorting out my confusion! I don't remember the movie that well, I guess. I thought my greed was being criticized...
