[nbatv-gary payton] "I think Houston is better without McGrady"

Actually, I did not dis Cassell, I merely pointed out he is a role player. Facts are facts, just like the fact that Tracy has not made it out of the second round.

Obviouly there are no second round games for Tracy, so don't be a ****head. You were highlighting one game, and my point was that you can find 100's of players who have had a good game in the playoffs.

 

Tin, I love your posts, but dude, you accuse me of derailing threads, i thought this was about Rox being better without McGrady, not clutchness...

 

Now that was funny!

 

Steve quitting on his team - not until his Orlando days
Tmac quitting on his team - first he did it in Orlando, then it happened to us in the Toronto game and now with this microfracture business.



I was completely on the side of those that said Tracy had had no help throughout his career, that he always stepped up his game in the playoffs and played his heart out and was not at fault if his teams could not overcome the talent differential. But Toronto was the end of that.

No matter who you are if you are on the court you should not trash your team the way he did by forcing them to play 4-on-5 basketball for the last three quarters of that game, just standing 10ft behind the three point line on offense. It speaks to what kind of character you have, no game no matter how bad the blowout is should be played like that. Not for the money, nor the job, nor the professionalism, but simply for your own self-dignity. Ok that's the end of my moralistic blurb. Tracy's lost my support. That's it.

 

Actually what I said in my first post, but oh well...

 

A la Kobe? We know what people think of his character.

none of that mumbo jumbo people are spouting matters. Fact is, IF Tracy were able to win, for whatever reason (better team, no injuries, whatever, unimportant in this point), then no would care. At the end of the day, to fans, it's about winning.

Unfortunately for McGrady, that is the whole reason why most fans in Houston have turned on him, his fault or not.

 

As unprofessional as the decision to do what Tracy did was, I mean come on. I certainly haven't made it out to be that big of a deal. Apparently there were a lot of blame to go around for it to get to that.

It's a stupid situation, but it's not hard to see why it got to that. Rockets been tellin' him to play on his knee. He tries, fails. Each time he kept taking himself out, Rockets(docs) said, nope you can play. He disagrees with them each time. Eventually he decides "Screw it, they don't believe me, I'm going to do what I feel it good for me."

Was it right? Probably not, but you can see why he would do it. I can't say I wouldn't do the same if I were in the same situation. If you don't see eye to eye with your employer, you are going to eventually say screw it. You start making moves that you feel are better for yourself and your career.

As far as Yao goes, I have to be honest. I don't know why he doesn't get nearly the same amount of criticism for his lack of success. Don't say it's because he works hard. KG works hard and he was being dogged pretty good.

It has been the Yao and McGrady experiment. That's what the team was building around. Both of them. Some great moments, but ultimately no post-season success. They both share that blame just like they would have both shared that praise if they had won.

 

sasha vujacic, mark madsen, derek fisher, ak47... have more playoff games than tracy.

it is a great indicator tinman. good job.

 

yao has never been asked to carry a team. and look at the team now, even without mcgrady, yao is not carrying the team. even this year, it's arguable that scola is our MVP and most consistent player.

kg and tmac have been mr. do-it-all for their teams and thus they receive most of the criticism.

until yao shows he has the ability to just lift his own team on his shoulders, he's not going to receive superstar criticism.

that's why yao has never received "much" criticism. and he shouldn't. he's never been asked to do everything for us. why should he receive those criticisms?

 

I definitely think this is very, very well said. I'm not the biggest fan of McGrady, while I'm not his least favorite fan either. I think he brought a lot to the Rockets and it just didn't work out as anybody had hoped. I'm sure he didn't come to the Rockets with the notion of intending on not getting out of the first round, just as the Rockets organization didn't intend on them not getting out of the first round.

The Rockets will try some different things now, possibly keeping him, possibly not. Everyone will move forward and better days are here and will come in the future.

 

hilarous...

 

so is he saying that if tmac was 100% the rockets are better off? If yes, Gary Payton needs to get his head out of his ass.

 

how subtle and disguised your bashing at yao are. it's almost artistic.

yeah, now scola is the mvp of the rocket after he made 5 str8 double-double, eh? maybe one day you can make a case for brooks, or even wafer. maybe what scola said about yao ming after many games was just pure politics? man i can't wait to see we start to build around scola (one of my favorite rockets btw), commencing from next year (or maybe now?)...

and "yao has never received much criticism"? wow. then why sir charles had to kiss a donkey's behind? look around, just about every thread on this board contain, justified or not, criticisms of yao.

 

too bad it came from the moron that is gary payton...