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NBA weighs 'flopper' penalties

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by JD88, Jun 18, 2012.

  1. JD88

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    David Stern is determined to stop the floppers, even if it takes until the next morning.

    The NBA commissioner believes too many players are deceiving referees into calling fouls by falling down, or flopping. So he and the league's newly reformed competition committee met Monday for a discussion about how it can be prevented.

    One option, Stern said, is a ''postgame analysis'' in which a player could be penalized if it was determined he flopped. The league retroactively upgrades or downgrades flagrant fouls after review, and along those lines he said that perhaps a player could receive a message from New York saying: ''Greetings from the league office. You have been assigned flopper status.''

    ''No, I'm joking, but something like that,'' Stern said. ''That sort of lets people know that it's not enough to say `it's all part of the game.'''

    The committee is made up of coaches Doc Rivers of Boston, Rick Carlisle of Dallas and Lionel Hollins of Memphis; owners Dan Gilbert of Cleveland and Joe Lacob of Golden State, and general managers Bryan Colangelo of Toronto, Sam Presti of Oklahoma City, Mitch Kupchak of the Lakers and Kevin O'Connor of Utah.

    During a six-hour meeting, they also discussed expanding instant replay for flagrant fouls and goaltending, decided the lottery system is the best one currently available, and seemed to favor leaving the away from the ball foul rule as is, so coaches could continue to intentionally foul notoriously bad free throw shooters.

    Any rules changes they recommend would have to be approved by the league's Board of Governors, set for its next meeting in July.

    Stern hopes by then to have a policy to address flopping, which bothers him because he feels it tricks the referees. He said there's a ''broad array of issues'' to look at that can let players know the practice is to be discouraged.

    ''If you continue to do this, you may you have to suffer some consequences,'' he said. ''What those exactly should be and what the progression is is to be decided, because ... we just want to put a stake in the ground that says this is not something that we want to be part of our game, without coming down with a sledgehammer but just doing it in a minimalist way to begin stamping it out. And I think there are ways we can do that and we'll have to wait and see exactly what we come up with.''

    Stern has talked of allowing replay on all flagrants. Referees currently can only look at the more severe flagrant-2 penalties to determine if they indeed warranted ejection or should be downgraded to flagrant-1s. He has said he is intrigued by the international goaltending rules, which allow a defensive player to knock the ball off the rim.

    He's neutral when it comes to the away from the ball fouls, which led to Hack-a-Shaq and which the Thunder used while intentionally fouling San Antonio's Tiago Splitter in the Western Conference finals. On one hand, he feels bad for the player who is being embarrassed by his poor free throw shooting; on the other, he understands that maybe coaches should then take the player out.

    The committee appears to be leaning toward the status quo.

    ''It's fair to say there was a strong sense that we shouldn't cut down on the toolbox that coaches have available to them, despite what may seem the unseemliness of the way it goes down,'' Stern said. ''But that's just one of the things that you do if you want to win and it works.''

    He said the committee, formerly made up of the league's general managers, plans to reconvene in September.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/NBA-weighs-retroactive-penalties-for-floppers-061812



    Yes it is a good idea, but, there are other things to look at, like palming the ball, and travelling. I hate watching Lebron take 9 steps, after stealing a ball at midcourt, without dribbling on his way to a dunk.
     
  2. CantBeRight

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    Doc and Rick are going to go OFF on this...
     
  3. WhoMikeJames

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    Hmmm... International goaltending rule is intriguing.
     
  4. BigMaloe

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    thanks for the read....
     
  5. ObamaFan

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    Forget Flopping... Get better REFS, and they will fix everything
     
  6. k-money

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    Exactly. Make the flopper feel like an idiot.
     
  7. RedNation

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    Bad news for lowry, kmart, scola
     
  8. mr. 13 in 33

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    it would be cool if they gave away an award "flopper of the year"
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Yeah, wtf ever, I have heard this bull**** before, I will believe it when I see it.

    DD
     
  10. daywalker02

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    Stern is a flip flopper himself
     
  11. RedNation

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    Wow. How can anyone even think that bud is better than parsons? Was that before the season? I hope so. Irrelevant but odd.
     
  12. peleincubus

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    I see Jerry Sloan is not on the panel...
     
  13. dachuda86

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    Stern basically just said... we're going to charge the player fines at our discretion in order to increase our revenue.

    Oh and blew by the whole rigged lotto system issue.
     
  14. Rockets Jones

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    Moving on, nothing to see here! Stern has always used the sledgehammer, now he wants to do it in a minimal way after so many years of players falling down like flies?? That means we might see a replay system in 2-3 years to look at maybe one or two situations a game, then after another 2-3 years coaches will have 3 opportunities during time-outs to make the refs review a play. Then after another 2-3 years, so in 6-9 years we will maybe see some kind of technical + fine for flopping.

    Also David is an idiot if he thinks the players are really tricking the referees. No, the referees know damn well in 90% of the cases that a guy is falling down but still they blow their whistle. Me thinks Stern knows this but of course the referees are not at fault here. On top of that, even if they review a whole game and start looking for flops, no way the referees are going to be honest. I am sure that when referees are allowed to call a technical for falling down and they do, it will change like that. The problem could already be solved somewhat if the referees do not fall for it and just the players to get up!!

    International goaltending rules are terrible. That would mean the art of shot blocking will be lost since you can just swipe at the ball whenever you want. Also a guy that's 7'6 like Yao could just tap everything from the rim and players can just grab the ball when it has touched the rim even if it's still in the cilinder. Bad idea...
     
  15. Easy

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    About 5 years overdue.

    The committee needs only to read a few of CF.net threads to decide on which of the great ideas are the best. :grin:
     
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    Good luck in this lifetime. Perhaps in the future when human genes can be genetically enhanced to catch minute details at NBA speed.
     
  17. Shaud

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    Stern said this a few years ago and guess what it has gotten worse since he said he was going to penalize floppers because he failed to do just that.
     
  18. SmeggySmeg

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    nowhere in the rules does it say you have to fall backwards to play good D and draw a charge, if the refs starting rewarding good D and not acting it would make a difference

    once again Wade's put on a good show in game 3 of reacting like he was shot, when there was actually minimal or no contact to draw a foul, fix this first, offensive flailing is far worse than the flopping to draw a charge......

    our Australian football league just started reviewing game footage post game for flopping, two guys have already been reprimanded and face fines on escalating scale after this.......

    personally more than happy to support JVG's million dollar fine idea, if only he was on the panel
     
  19. Gakatron

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    It's pointless. The NBA won't have the balls to call out the main culprits like Wade and Paul because they won't want to smear their leading stars. They will be allowed to continue on doing what they're doing and perhaps some scrub role player will get picked up for it so they can pretend like the leagues doing something.
     
  20. Jontro

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    LOL right dictator sperm... riiiiight...

    and I said I'll start working out again. That was more than 5 years ago.
     

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