For those of you hoping it can stop floppers like Okur or Manu, don't set your expectation high. For some odd reason, I believe Scola will probably be the first getting fined. Because a) He's a Rocket b) He's a quiet foreign role player c) He's not great at selling the fouls d) He's a Rocket, oh, I mentioned that. For those of you hoping Yao could benefit from "less" flopping, think again. The biggest problem for him are a) He gets murdered at offensive end b) Small guards jump on him at defensive end. I don't see how this "fine" may help him. Whenever people pose as they are dealing with something "seriously", end result won't be pretty. Just like the Chinese saying - loud thunders, but small rain. Hope I am wrong.
you'd understand what i mean if you see the issue of relativism. kids are playing against kids and world class athletes are playing against world class athletes therefore it's all relative. it's not like kids are playing against world class athletes now. if people don't go flying on the playground where sometimes it's "no blood no foul" then it's obvious that on the nba court where athletes are playing athletes the same thinking would apply. but players do go flying and flailing in the nba which points out to the issue of flopping.
Welcome to 2008. Yao doesn't get in foul troubles like before. since the rule change now he can jump straight up and guards will not get the call most of the time. Less flop will help him against Okur, Brad Miller, Oberto etc. I even saw good defenders like KG and Ben Wallace pull flops trying to stop Yao. And lets flop will help him be a better offensive rebounder, because defender going to stop flopping on "over the back fouls" like before. The only problem the benefit will be little due to the faqs that he will still get hammered and no call will be made. But any help will be welcome for an already best center in the NBA.
Physics is a b**** mate. Faster and bigger colliding objects means more spectacular crashes. Kids are like 2 cars bumbing against each other on the parking lot compared to NBA players having high speed collisions.
Maybe but 2 cars crashing in the Freeway is a lot different that 2 cars crashing in the Freeway in a Hollywood movie. That is the problem.
Why would he be the first thing you thought of? The person comes to mind who is the worst flopping in the NBA in my opinion is that MANUre GINOBILI! He's not going to be able to throw his body at people anymore! THANK GOODNESS!
Let's clarify some misconceptions of this new rule right up front. #1: Ref's won't be responsible for making in-games descions about flopping. The ref's will be business as usual. #2: The flop will be reviewed after the game by non-refs. #3: Only obvious flops will be fined. That seems easy enough to implement. If a guy is falling over before contact is made, that's a flop. If a guy initiatiates contact and falls down, that's a flop. Those are easy things to spot in slow motion. They are hard to see during a game at full speed especially if it happens off-the-ball. We'll see if it actually makes any difference, however. Since the repurcussions are after the fact, the W is all that players want. If the fine is only $1,000, this won't work, IMO. That just means they gotta skip the strip bar for one night.
after all, this falls back to the incompetence of the refs. if they don't fall for the flops, the flops will stop on its own. but it is like asking too much from the refs.
Gasol had some terrible ones in the game last night, pretty much everytime the ball bounced over his head on a rebound he would fall to the floor under the basket. The refs actually had a good angle on it a couple of times and didn't call it, but they fell for it a couple of times. That's what I can't stand is trying to fool the refs. Players have always exaggerated contact to get a call, but when your actively trying to fool the refs that has no place in the game.
i really don't see how this can be fined....can't players sue the league....the league should just call Technical fouls for flopping...not fine them....that will be hard to prove esepecially when you are taking money from players...I think assessing personal fouls or tech fouls is better....
It doesn't matter. No refs buys Scola's flops as they buy AK/Gino's flops. Most of the time Scola was just punished for acting a little bit.
Totally agree. When you try to create a charge foul, you want to fall (or at least you should not try everything you can to keep yourself standing no matter what) when the charge happens, because that helps you absorb a lot of contact and the falling relieves a lot of contact and it is safer for both the offensive and defensive players. Flopping is something that you falldown on your own, not falling down because of the force generated by the hard contact.
And I hope the punishment includes a multi-game suspension. I hate flopping very much and I think it completely aginst the spirit of fair competition. It is pure cheating.
This is awesome. It's really going to put a lot of the league's foreign players in their place. Especially European and South American players (Dirk, Manu, Kirilenko, Oberto, and yes unfortunately even Scola). Have you noticed that nearly every player that flops is foreign? They bring that crap over from their leagues and Nat'l teams. Maybe they pick it up from watching/playing soccer as kids and try to apply it to basketball. Either way, flopping is BS and should be punished. Eurotrash stuff. They need to keep those tactics overseas and in the WNBA where it belongs
