NBA & Rockets Roid and Drug free appreciation thread

Exactly, NBA players could benefit from steroids a lot more than most people think. Big men can really use the extra muscles strength to dominate the paint. Young players can inject HGH to gain extra inches in height. Imagine if some our players like Head, James and Brooks had 2-3 extra inches then they'd be perfect fit instead of being undersized combo guards.

 

Hirsoshima Japan.

 

it's beyond naive to think the NBA isnt infested with steroids and HGH like every other sport

even guys at your local gym are on steroids. these are NORMAL guys with no financial or professional incentive to juice but do it for purely aesthetic/ego reasons. I've been working out for 15 years and you see dudes in gyms whereever you go who are juiced up, sometimes you even see brown bag transactions or guys going into stalls in pairs to shoot each other in the ass.

people dont understand how pervasive these drugs are in our CULTURE not just in pro sports. kids in high school do it, actors trying to get cut up do it. Sly Stallone was busted trying to import some in his luggage last year right? in a sport that starts with jumping and running it's crazy to think there aren't a few guys on every NBA squad juicing up. i mean just compare the NBA bodies of the post steroid era (starting in the late 80s and fully developed by the 90s) with the pre-steroid era of the early 80s, 70s, 60s. moses malone wouldn't even be considered buffed today... I mean obviously Yao isn't on steroids but Dwight Howard certainly looks like he could be... on HGH which is undetectable if nothing else. How much upper body mass did Greg Oden put on over the summer? 30-40lbs? even with supplements and considering his young age it's near impossible to put on that much isolated pure muscle without some chemical help.

the thing that linked baseball with steroids (and this is documented in mitchell's report is 1)lax enforcement of anti drug rules in MLB 2)the PROVED efficacy of steroids during the macguire/sosa home run derby in 98 which basically which incentivized guys who never took steroids to do so in order to "catch up." other than that there's nothing else inherent to baseball that made it that much dirtier than the NBA or any other sport. steroids are everywhere

 

Will steroids cause your arms to shrink?

 

in a lot of ways steroids is a magic bullet in terms of physical performance. even a r****d sport like bike racing gets significant benefits from increased endurance and recovery.

if you consider the 4 major sports (baseball, football, basketball, hockey) basketball is second only to football in terms of the benefits steroids would provide. baseball is actually a very poor example... it relies on hand-eye coordination, mental cognitive abilities and developed skills far beyond anything in any other major sport (with the possible exception of certain quarterbacks and goalies). but even in baseball we've seen the incredible benefits performance enhancing drugs can bring.

yet roids cannot make a bad baseball player into a star. bonds, clemens, sosa would all have been allstars without the roids. but in the NBA, it's like track and field... roids have the potential of making a middling player into a star or even world champion.

 

We don't use steroids in Japan, we use wasabi.

 

I think Tinman's assertions are naive and uninformed. There is some truth in what he says but he can't afford to be so dismissive of the claims others make. Has he played competitive sports at a serious level or does he have an appreciation of what is required?

I play rugby, not at an elite level but I try to apply the same principles to my training that elite-level players do and I do have an understanding of what is required to get to the top.

To say that strength and explosiveness don't benefit a basketballer is incredible. The most gifted basketballers like Tracy McGrady and Kobe Bryant might not have trained with weights prior to arriving in professional training environments (such as the NBA and NCAA Division I) but many NBA hopefuls are hitting the weights hard just to get a scholarship to a major school and look how muscular Kobe started to look a few years ago. In fact, I was just reading last night about how Ben Hansbrough only started lifting weights as a HS junior when he decided to seriously focus on his basketball. I can imagine then his extremely dedicated brother Tyler must have been an animal in the weights room for years prior to arriving at Chapel Hill.

It used to be that Karl Malone was the only player who had the body of a Greek god. Then interior players started hitting the weights hard. Now just about everybody does it, including the perimeter players. Look at a picture of Dwyane Wade's arms when he's driving to the rim and you can't tell me he hasn't put in some serious time in the weight room. If one athletic interior player like Dwight Howard had the strength of another athletic interior player like Tyrus Thomas, would Dwight Howard be dominating the league?

Anybody training with weights for size, strength or power would gain an advantage through the use of a substance that increases testosterone or growth hormone secretion. The increase in testosterone and growth hormone levels are exponential rather than linear. I don't think basketballers in general, however, benefit from such illgotten gains as much as some other sportsmen. In terms of explosive power, they have generally been blessed with a high proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres. As for strength, it can give players a competitive edge but it can't turn a poor player into a good one.

 

whoa thanks for clearing that up, i feel like a fool, a friend told me they grew up with money and i just took his word for it.

greg oden is what can go wrong with hgh. kidding of course, but seriously lebron is a rarity, that dude had bigger arms than tmac at 18. hell even bigger than amere's. he was cut like crazy too, like one writer from chron.com said "a body the sculped by the ancient gods themselves" or something like that.

 

i used to love when bill and calvin use to refer to his arms as alligator arms