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[NBA Fanhouse] McGrady wants to resign here

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by larsv8, Dec 17, 2009.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Always with Tmac is is about the "IFs"......

    At some point you have to stop enabling people and give them tough love, that is what RA and DM are doing, for the first time in his life Tmac is being told "NO".....

    How he responds to this period will tell whether he gets to stay or not....does he do a Vince Young and grow up and learn from it? Or does he do an AI and whine his way out of town.

    Time will tell....

    DD
     
  2. Fierguard

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    We will know more as the season goes on. Right now he is a 10 minute guy off the bench and you pay those guys peanuts. Now if he can become say a 15-5-5 guy then we are talking 6-8 million a year. Four year deal structured like the rookies two guaranteed and two team option. Heck I would even do 3 year guaranteed and the last player option if he plays well.

    If he can help the team I am all for it. He should play the tape of that Toronto game everyday so he can see what he has to NOT do. Draw charges, drive on loose balls... play basketball like it can be taken away from you and you might never play it again and the Rockets fans will stand beside you and cheer your name.

    Of course I would trade him in a heartbeat if it helps the team as well.

    Bleed Red Rockets Red
     
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    He was ****ing inju... You know what? I give up. I'm not even gonna start this morning...
     
  4. joliver325

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    I believe its great if we can sign him for less than 3-4 mill, IF he can contribute 70-80% of what he could do when he first got here. I really believe he can thrive in this offense b/c it definitely tends to get bogged down at times and needs a go to man. He must find himself within the offense and if he does he still can avg 15-20 pts
     
  5. DaDakota

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    It is not a GO TO man we need, we need a SHOT MAKING person....someone that can consistently score.

    I find it funny that people think Tmac will be the answer to that question, I mean with him we had an entire playoff game where only 4 guys scored the ball.....

    We need someone that can shoot it, more than someone that can control it....

    DD
     
  6. kanariya

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    I don't like what Tmac did last year but if he shows more heart from now on, I don't mind to have him for a reasonable price.

    He will never be the same old explosive Tmac after the surgery but his court vision is what we are lacking now from our guards.

    Trevor is disappointing me so far with the current role he's trying to take.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    One thing is for sure - since T-mac is saying he wants to stay and will sign for less, Morey now has to consider the fact that it might be better not to trade him and sign him to a one year deal anywhere from 4-8 million.

    Probably his priorities this off-season will be Scola. How much will Scola command? I think it will be 9 million a season.

    I'd be hard pressed to think DM would pass on giving T-mac a one-year 5 million dollar deal, eating the luxury tax in the hopes of winning a ring with everyone back + Yao + a healthy T-mac
     
  8. DieHard Rocket

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    I have no problem re-signing him for cheap (in theory), but there is a problem in that it means we wouldn't be acquiring another superstar or potential all-star caliber talent to pair with Yao (unless we trade Mcgrady, then re-signed him in the offseason- which I think would be a longshot).

    I still think we've got to find a way to turn his contract into a player that will be our best or second best player. We can't go into next year expecting Mcgrady to be that guy. Hopefully as the deadline nears we will find a team that has something worthwhile to trade and needs the expiring contract.
     
  9. emjohn

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    Apologists can't keep trying to have it both ways. If he was that injured that he couldn't play even YMCA level basketball, than he needed to sit. Instead, we got "It's hard to get into a rhythm when you don't get enough touches" McGrady. The same McGrady that told us he was "100%" in January. The McGrady that said "it's not my knee, it's all mental" in February.

    Again, if he got microfracture surgery in Nov and ate the year, I wouldn't bash him anymore than I do Yao Ming (which I don't).
    If he sucked it up and played through it like Battier did last year, limiting himself and letting Ron and Yao carry the team, I wouldn't bash him anymore than I did Battier last year (which I didn't).

    Instead, he went out, insisted on remaining the primary option, refused to play team ball, refused to play acceptable defense, and screwed up the team for 4 months.
     
  10. RYA408

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    Why are people so biased about T-mac??? I watched the game last night and he still is an excellent passer, someone who can create shots for others. He was hesitant to attack the basketball but given some more time i'm sure he will be better.

    And no , his 7 mins did not change the outcome.
     
  11. towW

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    A go to man is a shot maker with the ability to create space/double teams etc. and yes the Rockets need all of that. That is why if McGrady is able to come back = cheap go to/shot making person.
     
  12. Invisible Fan

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    TMac doesn't know when to shut up. There isn't a question he doesn't like answering.

    You interrogate him enough and he'll tell you how he really feels.
     
  13. BigM

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    "IF" Mcgrady is healthy than anything MLE priced and under is a steal. You can't teach the kind of court vision he has.

    I'm not interested in dumping him for nothing. Obviously if we can get talent back we have to trade him but I'm more curious in seeing what he has when he gets more significant minutes.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Well he is not a "Go to" man now, and may never be again.......

    I guess when he gets to "Go to" status then he plays?

    Let's watch how he progresses, but right now.....all his fans should be able to see why Rick was not playing him....

    He is just not quick enough or confident enough in his knee yet.....so what do you do as coach? You play him at the expense of wins? Or you get him to prove it in practice?

    Man, he really needed to be playing in preseason.......

    DD
     
  15. chrissoto

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    He's got a point right there. There are some key words there that are stating he might not want to do that.
     
  16. raj87

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    Please provide a tangible example of the type of player you desire.
     
  17. Jeff Who

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    Changed the game? Really?

    As for CBud. You can say the same about Shane.
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You know there's a lot of people who fear that T-mac will help this team and get a one-year extension and be part of the team. They just don't want him to have that chance.

    It's amusing to see how people are trying to blame the loss on T-mac and also claim he stole minutes away from Chase. Of course, it wasn't the fact that CHase had 4 fouls in under 14 minutes of play or the fact he went 0-4 that might have limited his PT

    T-mac has a lot of anger directed towards him and I think that it will not end, even after he is no longer a rocket. It's kinda like Steve Francis.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    A taller Aaron Brooks type to play on the wing....

    It's not anger, LOL - it is realism...if he plays well, most people would say it....

    It is the difference of fans who "HOPE" he does something versus the fans who comment on what he is doing "NOW"

    It is as simple as that...

    Labling something as hate, is just a way to avoid talking about the truth.....

    If everyone just looked at what they see, and what he has done, or not done....then we could all have a realistic discussion, but what happens is we get people enamored with dunks on Bradley and not able to discern the difference between that and where he is now after microfracture surgery.

    Right now, he is not a rotation player.......he might get there....he has been amazing in the past...the question is.....as a team......how long do you play him in hopes that he gets there?...

    DD
     
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  20. Supermac34

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    Air Bull was talking about something simlar yesterday on the radio. He mentioned that a lot of the super stars are making SO much money in endorsments, that he wonders when some of them will decide to take much less in contracts to win championships. He wasn't talking about the old players either, that take a one year cheapo deal to try to win. He was talking about guys in their prime that have so much money coming in, it wouldn't matter if they took $4-5 million less to try to win. (He was specifically talking about Lebron and Dwade yesterday)

    I'm wondering if Bull brought it up because he heard McGrady talking about doing something like this.
     

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