NBA.COM says Butler most likely to Houston or Dallas

GM always does what is best for his team, and sometimes you gotta sacrifice your best players in in order to win...

 

Is Butler better than Tmac or Artest?

 

At this point yes to both.

DD

 

Actually, Butler is decling this season. Otherwise, the wizards wouldn't let him go. His 2pt fg% is about 42%, 3pt is only 27%. And, he is not a good playmaker. he only averages 2.2 assits.

 

not again...read my posts...he is NOT declining. Wizards have to let him go because they got screwed in the Arenas fiasco...they have to explore every option, even jamison.

He's a guard-forward, not a point guard, so what if he averages 2.2 assists? He's averaged up to 5 along his career, depends on the role he is in.

There's different definitions of a "playmaker".. literally speaking, he does make plays, the guy can make his own off the dribble moves to score from the perimter or inside. Obviously a talent like that who's not as dumb as a rock would then be able to pass to an open man if defenders crash on him. Butler is more than capable of doing it.

We dont need a "playmaker" whos goign to spoon feed our players. We had that in tmac and it's too much to put on one player. At some point we need to hold our other talents like brooks, landry and scola accountable. Even battriza to an extent, but mainly our true scorers. they are capable of making plays themselves, all they need is a missing link to connect the dots. That link is someone who can do something off a dribble, inside and out. We only have brooks right now, you double him and that option is toast, and so are our other players since there's no connection. Add butler opposite brooks and they cant double either unless they want to get burned on the perimeter, which would force defenders to come up, opening it up for our post players..

 

I have to say that, your logic doesn't make sense at all...

 

Was gasol decling when the girzz decided to let him go?

 

so much that you can't even tell me why it doesnt make sense?

 

God, just shut up already. Directing people to your earlier treatises doesn't help you because nobody agreed with them. Butler will still be in decline whether you post one textwall or twenty. Unless you think he's going to average 20+ ppg on 45%+ shooting again at some point in his career, stfu and admit that his best days are behind him.

 

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and how many people disagreed, 2? including yourself?

I love posters who can't back up what they're saying...oh yeah 4 points less a game and a drop in shooting %, must be declining!! Lakers should have traded away kobe the first 4 times he did that!

and i find it hilarious that on a MESSAGE BOARD, you want someone to shut up because you disagree, that point is to have a discussion here, all you're doing is disagreeing and not posting much to back up that claim, you should try it sometime. You act like i'm defending Kareem abdul jabbars career at age 50 or something. It's a 29 yr old wing, and it as confirmed within the last year that morey wanted him, i guess he needs to "stfu" too, huh?

 

No need for a new thread, i figured stevenson would be involved with his contract, if we don't want james here is another option we have to look at.

I've heard that the Wizards are trying to included DeShawn Stevenson in any deal involving Butler. They've included him in talks with Houston and Dallas. Moving Stevenson would take another $4.15 million off the Wizards' 2010-11 salary. As David Aldridge pointed out on NBA.com, the Wizards' desire to move Butler has increased since the team realized that it would receive salary cap relief for the Arenas and Crittenton suspensions.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wi...e-talk-jamison-stay.html?wprss=wizardsinsider

 

I'd take his contract on if we could get Butler/Haywood but I wouldn't go beyond TMAC/Bud and maybe/or a #1.

Butler/Haywood/Stevenson for TMAC/Bud

Only issue is that they would be taking back more money so we might have to take on another expiring deal for the Wiz to do it. If they want to really make things interesting throw Miller in the deal then Scola or Battier would could be had.

 

I notice that you conveniently ducked the question I asked you:

Do you think Caron Butler will ever again in his career average 20+ppg on 45%+ shooting?

That's all the backup I need. There's no chance in hell that he posts comparable numbers again...ie he is declining. I told you to stfu because nobody wants to read your meandering diatribes.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/caron_butler/career_stats.html

This is all we need to see to know that caron butler's best days are behind him. He's shooting at an Ariza-esque clip this year. Trading for him is a complete waste of our flexibility. He's good enough to be perhaps a 4th option on a championship team. Lakers and Celtics have at least 3-4 players better than him. Not sure why you're so hung up on getting a slightly above average player making above average money. Morey can do a lot better with our cap space than Caron Butler.

 

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. you're saying he's shooting at 42% is like ariza shooting 38%?

he has one down year and you call him in decline? that's moronic. he's on a ****ty team and doesnt want to be there. look at the wizards as a team, who would even want to play there?

 

They're not that far off if you adjust for the number of 3's. Ariza is shooting a decent amount better from downtown and also takes 3x as many 3's. Almost half of Ariza's shots are 3's.

 

well do you have a link showing ariza's FG% for shots that are not 3's? can you show me these adjustments?

butler doesnt shoot 3's, that's not his game just like it's not tony parker's game (yet tony parker is better than ariza in most aspects). ariza DOES shoot 3's, he's expected to and he takes a lot of them

 

LMAO, that's all the back up you need? I didnt answer because i ddint think you were serious. Perhaps you should look at how you asked the question Einstein...Ariza-esque? You've got to be kidding. 4th option? Do you even watch basketball? You pick the players from the last two championship to compare him too? Wow, isnt that convenient for ya...

Morey can do a lot better you say, yet that's who morey was going after.. Was that his evil twin going after Butler?

So answer me this, if Morey were to trade for butler, what will you think of him?

 

i'm sure he'd compare MJ's 3 pt shooting to Ariza's if he needed to prove a point...midrange shooting is underrated, but rare and important in this league, too many fans fail to realize that.

 

Chris Broussard: Houston is now currently weighing whether to trade Tracy McGrady or let him expire and be a player in the free agency market. If Houston renounces the rights to Kyle Lowry and Chuck Hayes, they can offer a max contract.

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