NBA.COM says Butler most likely to Houston or Dallas

I don't like the idea of losing Lowry AND Scola.

 

Oh, and don't forget his 2 pt%. It's about 42% this year. So basically his "only" knocks are that he doesn't score the ball all that well from 2 or from 3. You're trying to tout his career numbers to dispute the assertion that he is in decline right now. That's just moronic. Normally when a player's usage goes down his shooting percentage goes up. Yet he has seen large dropoffs in both percentage and scoring, a clear sign he's in decline.

Right now he's a moderately expensive player who might not even be top 10 at his position for much longer. A very slightly above average starter with a contract to match. Fill a team with players of his cost/talent ratio and you've got a perpetual 6-8 seed.

 

I think it would be lowry or scola, with both of them it would be too much money and they would have to give up too many players. If it is true that we do not want mike james!

 

We only do this if it's a low risk move, meaning we don't move Lowry, Cbud or any long term talent. Butler's a good stopgap for this year and next, so that we can find out whether Yao's going to have 3-4 more years left.

If not, we can blow the whole thing up with Butler, yao and Battier all expiring.

If Yao's good to go, then we either resign butler in future years for less, or use him as an expiring next year to land a younger or bigger fish to pair with Yao.

 

not sure, but it was in this article, so maybe as of this week....where did it say they wanted one of those 3 specifically?

 

Interesting considering that the Rockets have 12 players on their roster if they pick up the options on Dorsey and Hayes, then go on to re-sign Scola and Lowry. If they trade McGrady, there would be even more players. (Assuming they don't trade for expirings of course)

So that could leave the options of:
A) One or two players are going out the door?
B) Rockets are looking to pick some international prospects a la Jan Vesely?
C) Rockets are going to attempt to move up the draft by packaging picks and/or players?

 

I remeber reading on here when Morey was on 610 I believe that Les had a extra 20 million, was that going towards a trade or resigning our free agents this summer?

 

so you're telling me you're going to evalute a player based on half a season worth of numbers rather than his CAREER long numbers? Yeah that makes a lot of sense...

If that's what you're going to do at least dig a little deeper into the numbers, maybe then you'd see he started off badly this season and has been climbing back to his average numbers.

Since when are FOUR POINTS a large drop off? Are you serious?
A clear sign of decline? So what, roles don't change? A change of distribution of shot attempts doesnt affect players' output? What's moronic is that you believe a small dip in ppg and shooting % means he's declining. If that's the case Kobe has declined a bunch of times in his career already

 

It is fair but that gives us like 5 PF's right?
Scola, Landry, Hayes (plays C for us but he's a PF), Hickson, Dorsey!

We would have to get rid of prly Scola or Hayes!

Dont think we would trade Landry!

 

He's almost 30 he's reached his peak. The only way is down from here.
Once the majority of players hit 30 they typically have seen their best years as a player except for the rare few.

And if you are going to look at a player who is declining why would you look at his career numbers ?
His career numbers are going to be better than his current age numbers due to the fact of having better seasons when he was younger.

That's like looking at Mcgrady and saying his career numbers are great, but forgetting that he's declined hugely in the past few seasons.

Good career numbers doesn't= What a player currently is.

 

i wouldn't mind and would rather seeing the rockets trade t-mac+Cook+May Taylor or Dorsey for Butler+ Haywood + Jamison instead of getting Iggy and Sammy if your going to take up all your caps get the better pieces butler a be good you got a guy on the wing that can actually dribble and can create his on shots beside Brooks . Haywood because look at his stats he has height size shot blocking hes rebounding in double digits and Jamison because hey the guy can score with the best of them can play the 3 and 4 shoot 3's great leader and lets face it he a look great along side Yao in some situation but back to the topic this team could go deep withe those guys and plus u keep your core make sense hay we may even on by the way whit butler and jamison it give battier the rest he really needs
brooks/lowery/conroy
butler/battier,wafer
jamison,ariza,chase
scola,landry,andy
haywood,hayes,yao(until yao comes back)

 

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I like it! I just hope Washington likes it as well!

 

I wouldn't give up any rotation guys for Butler. He isn't a great shooter or a great defender. 16.5 points isn't that great for nearly 40 minutes a night. I'm sure he would make this team better but only if it doesn't cost us anyone other than McGrady's expiring.

 

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So you've linked the same video twice on one page.....

What are you trying to justify...he can hit a big shot ?

Grats if were basing our players off clutchness now we might as well keep Mcgrady.

 

Exactly.. or we might as well go after Gaines (Utah)

 

There's a difference between "peaking" and "declining". I can't disagree that he has peaked, but there's no rule saying you must peak and immediately decline. There's something called a plateau and ball players can peak and stay on that plateau for 2-3 years before even showing a clear sign of decline.

I'm not sure where this fear of 29-30 yr old players came from. Maybe its because, as rockets' fans, we associate reaching 30 with injuries since that's been Yao and tmac's faith. Maybe because of other often injured players like Redd and worn out int'l players like Manu. As players age, they lose athleticism, but gain IQ. At some point both of those overlap a very solid levels. Ages 28-32 are usually that point, maybe a year or two more depending on how well the player has held up physically over the years.

How do we know that this "decline" in numbers is going to continue? That's precisely why you look at career numbers, to see if there's a pattern there or not. Like i mentioned before, Kobe has had a dip in those specific stats more than once, would it be logical to assume he's declining every time? Of course not. You need to look at more than that. Typically players decline for two reasons, age and injuries. For an NBA player, about 33-34 is when they start to decline. If you got some fundamentals to your game and arent all hops, then you can last a bit longer. butler has that ability. As for injuries, those can start a decline in your career whether you're 20 or 40, and Butler hasnt had those kinds of injuries in his career, which i also mentioned earlier. He's not tmac with a chronic back injury and surgically repaired knee or yao with a surgically realigned foot. He doesnt have screws in his ankles or metal plates in his body. I dont even think he's had a surgery yet.

A lot of the "go to" players win their rings around 28-32 years of age. there's nothing to fear about it. As long as the player doesnt have a chronic injury he will still have game left. This move isn't a long term move. This is the last effort to "win now". We're getting a guy at his age to perform on the big stage. He's only got ONE year left on his contract. This may be the most important detail because it gives the team great flexibility. If butler works and we're winning, you give him a short extension, resign yao and keep at it. If he doesnt, you're not tied to him for more than a year AND Yao expires too, so you could cut both loose if the "win now" experiment isnt working and you go young. We need to keep in mind that this next year is a very important year for Yao's future. If his realignment wasnt succesful and he still cracks, literally, you can pretty much kiss him goodbye next summer. If he holds up, its likely they'll re-sign him. You need to be able to start over next summer if Yao flops, butler gives them that option.

 

Caron is not a go to super scorer.

But he is going to be more efficient than anything we have now on the perimeter except for AB.


I would like Butler and Haywood for McGrady. Its a good start to building a team that can contend the next 2-3 years.

 

. Any time you got other scorers around you're offense is likely to take a hit. Just look at boston's big 3 when they came together. Arenas and jamison were both scoring 20 ppg, butler is usually right with them but boykins and miller have taken some of his offense.

butler is actually #6 in scoring in the guard-forward position, only three in that category get over 20ppg and they all shoot more than 15 shots a game, butler doesnt. Isnt it reasonable that on a team with less scorers he'd get a couple more shots and 20ppg?

And he's actually an above average defender, which is not far from great.