NBA Champion Tom Thibodeau on Charles Edward Hayes Jr.

Chuck Hayes is average, Boozer (healthy ) destroyed him in the 07 playoffs.

 

Chuck Hayes assignment was Okur. Although he gets a lot of credit for Okur's woes, that too has been overrated because Okur missed a lot of wide open shots in the perimeter due to the philosophy of packing the paint defensively.

 

If Tom Thibodeaux is so high on Chuck Hayes, why doesn't Boston make any inquiries about trading for him? Oh, I forgot. Boston has a full roster of better players (like everyone else).

 

He destroyed Yao not Hayes. Hayes does a better than avg job on Boozer when they are matched up.

 

LOL.

07 playoffs, Okur only got 1 double double in the 7 game playoff series only because the presence of Yao. Okur needed to physical with Yao all games. Okur's physical defense with Yao wore himself down too.

08 playoffs, no Yao. Okur ripped off the board and scored in bunches. 5 double double in 6 game playoff series. Yes, Chuck Hayes played in those games. Hayes can guard Okur? Please... Dont make me spill my coffee.

 

Chuck Hayes stats last year TS% .512, ORB% 9.6.

Brown's stats during 94-95 was TS% .619, ORB% 9.5.


I never said Brown's defense was better than Hayes. I said it was similar. I believe Hayes to be the better defensive player of the two but I don't feel he is the better player of the two. Hayes is too much a liability on offense.

An on/off court team defensive stat makes it hard to gauge on who exactly is making the impact. It could very well be due to another player in the rotation. Say Battier is in the rotation and you replace him with Novak ... will Hayes on/off team defensive stat be as good?

 

No disagreement from me. Sloan changed it up in game 7 and had Okur guard Hayes to start the game. Sloan out-coached JVG there.

 

Did you watch the games of which you are speaking? When Chuck was in the game he was guarding Boozer this year. Unless Boozer was out and then he was on Milsap. Most of the time when he was on the court so was Scola or Landry and they guarded Okur.

And I can only think of a couple of times when Chuck was guarding Boozer in the 07 playoffs. Most of the time he was with Okur because Yao was on the court and JVG/TT didn't want Yao floating around on the perimeter on the defensive end.

Yes part of the reason that Okur was absolutely horrible most of that series is because he was playing defense on Yao, but that wasn't the only reason.

 

It doesnt matter who Hayes guarded in 08 playoffs. The people who give credit to Hayes for Okur's poor performance in 07 playoffs is a joke.

Size-wizsed, Okur is a perimeter big man who shoots over Hayes. Okur's shots fall or not depend on his rhythm and his legs. Hayes cant stop him and wont stop him. Rebound-wised, Okur abused Scola, Landry, & Hayes with his size as you have seen in 08 playoffs.

Hayes stopped Okur in 07 playoffs!? LMAO.

 

The only power forwards that Chuck has trouble with on defense are the ones that shoot jumpers, Dirk, West etc...

Chuck Hayes is an ELITE defender and very smart, he is just not good enough on offense to warrant a starting or even first backup job.

But he is a valuable component to use in a pinch.....

DD

 

Also, please dont tell me Hayes stopped Boozer in 08 playoffs. Boozer sucked balls on his own.

 

So true, but not for the reasons you mention.

Its dumb ass and demeaning statements like above that keep it alive. Chuck Hayes PER differential the last few years show he is not a scrub, he belongs in the league more than 1/4 or more of less effective players.

Most of us are just saying it is good Hayes is on the team and should be appreciated as a nice sub to have. Not many teams have a 2nd or 3rd big off the bench who can do some reliably positive things and stay a team focused regardless of PT.

Maybe the reason he hasn't been traded is he is more valuable to us than other teams. We had only one other better big who stayed healthy last year (Scola). One of the two other injury prone bigs also hasn't been resigned yet. Our other probably roster bigs are either over 40 (Deke) or a rookie who shot 40% at the line in college (Dorsey).

Right now it would be stupid to trade him. If Yao stays healthy (not such a good record), Scola stays healthy (not reason to thing he wouldn't), Landry is signed and stays healthy (both questions), and Dorsey plays better than most 2nd round picks do (big question), Hayes is certainly expendable. Until then ya'll should be thankfull he is an option at a very low contract for an NBA vet who has PROVEN he has a role in this league.

 

This is why Thibodeau is still an assistant and not a head coach with responsibility for making personnel decisions. His teams would hold teams under 70 and score 50 and not make playoffs. He's polar opposite of Don Nelson.

Chuck Hayes is a very likeable dude who couldn't score 20 in gym by himself.

 

Not true..

http://bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/20031220Indiana.html

http://bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/20040125NotreDame.html

http://bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/20040314Florida.html

It's just not his job to shoot.

And I know its the what have you done for me lately syndrome.
I just wanted you to know he can score over 20 if he has to.

Edit: and you will see that last link he scored 20+ against David Lee

 

I'm not trying to say that Thibodeau should be a head coach,but it's well known that he helped Yao Ming get better in the low post.He isn't just a defensive minded coach.

 

You will go to any lengths to prove someone wrong about your boy. I love him just the same but let's not get over our head. He's a good role player for 10 minutes a game. If Dorsey is a good as advertised, Chuck's minutes will evaporate.

In addition, it is his job to make wide open layups and free throws also.

 

That was Carroll Dawson who help and still helps Yao in the low post and let's not forget about Dream. I credit Thib with helping Yao on the defensive end, however he's not an offensive genuis. How many PnR can you run during a game.

 

Dude, I was just giving you a hard time. I know just as well as everyone else what his faults are.

Relax.

Plus, I have already gone on record as saying it's possible that he will be traded, more than likely at the deadline, if Dorsey works out. I think they will hold onto him until then depending on what trades come through and who they can keep on the 15 man roster.

It's also Rafer's job to make layups and Tracy's to make free throws. Everyone has something they have to work on.

 

So you discount Okur's numbers in the '07 playoffs when Chuck was guarding him, attributing that to him having to guard Yao. Ok.

But then you bring up Okur's numbers in the '08 playoffs to disparage Chuck, even while saying it doesn't matter who Chuck was guarding. That doesn't make much sense. So if Chuck was guarding Boozer, and Okur was crushing one of our other bigs, that's still Chuck's responsibility?

 

Chuck is a decent enough player, he's just never gonna be a starting quality player - which is a shame cause he's a helluva nice guy. If you can spare the roster spot, he's a good role player and filler - better option than Ryan Bowen. lol