RedN... Really tough and very close, I think nation has a slightly better defense... Everything welder us a wash for me... Bloomer... I don't like either line ups tbh, i think lca should start Wallace next to Duncan and leave horry on the bench... I'm going with the strong Houston fc of bloomer, sorry if I'm biased... Jmc... BigO slashing with drexler, and a fc of moses/yao is great... On top of that ray is there to get all the 3s from slashing or the two fantastic passing post players... Beautiful line up imo... Tizzle... BCs are a wash to me with T having a better fc... Torque... I don't like Walton starting at pf, but i like his team overall at most Spots...
Geez really tough matchups. I couldn't decide on any of them except for BigM. (yes I voted for you even though you voted against me. How you going to ignore guys like Russell, Kobe and their 16 rings? :grin
sorry man it was close and I'd love to see jordan and pippen go at each other but BigM got the edge for defense and versatility. Also, if I were you I would have started Mullin. And what's up with the weird listing of 2sgs, mcadoo at sf, and ewing at pf....it just doesn't look right even though that's not why I voted against you.
RedN vs Donatas FC: Donatas-Wilt>Shaq, Hill>Durant, and McHale<Dirk. Spacing works better with Shaq/Dirk than Wilt/McHale though. Hill and Durant play very similar. Big Names and Player talent would go to RedN, but functionality would go to Donatas. Overall, slight edge to Donatas. BC: RedN- I feel uncomfortable with this match up. I grew up watching GP and Vince so I know how they play, however I did not grow up watching Clyde or Joey D. With that being said, my Bias is toward Glove and Sanity. OFFonatas - Dirk, Durant, and Shaq is plenty enough scoring in opinion. Clyde is supposedly a great facilitator and Joe is also supposedly a shooter. I know Wilt scored 100, and McHale can put people in the blender, and that Hill is a better player than Durant, but pure offensive skill goes to DmoFB. DEF:RedN - Glove, Wilt, Hill. BENCH: RedN - Iverson> Westbrook, Parish> Love Ellis?Artest CHEMraw - Spacing works better with Shaq Dirk lineup. Payton can run the team better. Very similar teams actually. Too hard to tell. Winner by a hair, Red N. Will vote more later.
I'm going to run through categories and then if i see some mismatch i'll go in detail. BigMaloe vs. jvu FC -- Bm BC -- jvu Bench -- jvu OFF -- Bm DEF -- even Fit/chemistry -- even A very even matchup. I like Maloe's size in the starting lineup, it's just a much bigger team. But jvu has the best player, better bench and a lot of shooting. I wish jvu had Robinson instead of Ewing and just ran, this team could be really special running and gunning. In the end, I'll go with Maloe by a hair. I also think Maloe has a better coach while jvu has clearly hired Kurt Rambis and he's trying some crazy strategy with this roster, Patrick is considered a PF, Mullin is on the bench, something weird is going on and it won't end well. latebloomer vs. lcahmed FC -- bloomer BC -- even Bench -- lcahmed OFF -- bloomer (just looking at offensive talent, not fit) DEF -- bloomer Fit/chemistry -- lcahmed Why Robert Horry? Pick Love or Amar'e or a number of other options, and this is one of the best teams in the draft. Right now it's a bit underwhelming because the team is very well built except Horry takes the talent level down. I might go small with Dr.J at PF and Manu at SG if these are the players. That said, lcahmed's team does fit very well together. On the other hand, I think bloomer's team outside of Stockton has too many ball stoppers / ball handlers / mid range players. Hayes is a black hole too. It's a team that mostly scores via turnaround and fadeaway jumpers and in general mid range shots. Which is a solid weapon but not a great main weapon, it's just not a very efficient way to score if it's your go-to offense. Easy to defend, Duncan & co only have to pack the paint and prevent Hakeem/Baylor from scoring too much inside, defend Stockton at 3, and allow bloomer's team to chuck from 15 ft. I think bloomer has more talent on both offense and defense but I also think that lcahmed will end up having better offense and defense here because of the fit and matchup. Duncan/Dr.J are two unselfish, smart, efficient superstars and the team fits very well around them, while bloomer's team kind of defends itself because of some fit issues. Jmc vs. Horry FC -- Jmc BC -- Horry Bench -- Horry OFF -- Jmc DEF -- Horry Fit/chemistry -- even or Jmc by a hair I won't judge this one. Too hard. Yao vs. Russell would be crazy to watch though. A 6'11 superathlete vs. Yao. Would it be Dwight-Yao 2.0, or would Russell hold his ground? If Russell can't slow Yao down without help, Jmc probably wins. Horry can't afford to help on Yao here. Jamers vs. Yung-T FC -- Jamers BC -- Yung-T Bench -- even OFF -- Jamers DEF -- Yung-T Fit/chemistry -- both fit well but Jamers An interesting matchup. I like both teams. I like Jamers' starting lineup a little bit more overall. I've no idea if Jamers' offense can be slowed down. Maybe, but probably not. I don't see a weak spot offensively. I don't feel strongly about it, but Jamers. torque vs. RR14 FC -- torque BC -- RR14 by a hair Bench -- RR14 by a hair OFF -- even DEF --torque Fit/chemistry -- RR14 by a hair Even. Well passing starting lineups. Benches complement the starters very well and fix some of the weaknesses. NBA Sabonis much worse than Kareem but he has size defensively and abilkity to draw Kareem out offensively. Barkley too strong for Walton.
Bill Russell is the best low post defender in NBA history. Besides checkout how many threads there were about all the trouble that fronting defense gave Yao's teams. If nothing else my team will use that strategy and the rest of my good defenders will pick off all the lob passes to Yao. Stop overrating Yao.
Btw, just to clarify, I like Walton at PF, I think he's basically a Pau Gasol clone, although it's a bit hard to judge because those 70s games don't have 3pt line so it's all run and gun and very packed. Walton to me is one of the hardest players to judge. He's so thin, and he looks like he's going to break even in those games. Yet he's effective. I like Walton at PF but in this particular matchup I think Barkley has a significant power advantage.
If you are fronting him and putting Russell out of position, they won't even try an entry pass. This isn't the Rockets, they don't need Yao to score. But if you put Russell out of position, is your team still good enough? Can he recover in time to help? If you take out Yao and Russell, Jmc's team is clearly more talented. Russell is a major part of your team. Your way to win is for Russell both guard Yao well and help protect the rim vs. everyone else. Can he do it? I'm not sure he can but I'm not sure he can't. It would be an interesting matchup to watch.
I don't think I need to front yao with Russell. Just say that I have options and that it's not like yao was unstoppable. I bet even Rasheed would give yao trouble in spurts.
Walton's peak is as good as Hakeem or Shaq or Wilt IMO. He was the GOAT big man passer. Most complete big ever.
Agreed. I think people are seriously underrating Bill Walton. Don't see how anyone stops my front court, and then I have Isiah, Logo and Worthy...
I don't like him all that much in these drafts. If he was born in the 1980s and stayed healthy, got to train how current bigs train and eat the things that current athletes eat, he may be great today. Not sure his knees could hold the weight, though. But if we are taking his actual prime around 1977, i doubt in him as a center. He was just really suited for that time and very finesse, Pau like skillset, size and length. Basketball wasn't a power game at the time, it was running, passing, shooting 5-15ft jumpers. No 3pt line either, very packed, little value in a power game really, too many hands everywhere around you. There was a ton of value in Walton's length, good hands on both ends, speed running up and down, ability to release a quick accurate 7 footer over the top of most players, pass in tight spaces. I think Walton is a ton like Pau in how he played and his strengths and weaknesses, but his strengths were extremely suited for his era and his weaknesses weren't an issue. Obviously he's an all time great because he invented much of it. And obviously he's a major talent who could be very different if he was born later and trained in a different way. But I can't judge him on par with some of the other greats in a draft like this where we assume a guy just gets 'copypasted'. Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem are the best four to me in no order, very interchangeable. Moses, Robinson are next, probably Russell, and it gets muddy after that. They would rank differently in terms of "greatness" or impact in the era, and Walton would be higher.
Donatas vs Nation FC - Even BC - Donatas Ben - Nation Off - Donatas Def - Donatas Chem - Even Maloe vs JVU FC - maloe BC - jvu Ben - jvu Off - jvu Def - maloe Chem - Even Bloomer vs Lcah FC - bloomer BC - lcah Ben - lcah slightly Off - lcah Def - bloomer Chem - lcah jmc vs horry FC - horry BC - jmc Ben - tie Off - jmc Def - tie Chem - jmc Jamers vs Yung-T FC - Tie BC - tizzle Ben - jamers Off - jamers Def - tizzle Chem - jamers
