Rockets fans are extremely biased, but there's no way you put Hakeem over Shaq. Mt Rushmore is about achievements and career accolades. Shaq collected trophies for years and was the undisputably most dominant guy in the game for a much longer time than Hakeem.
If it's achievements, then I'd replace Oscar with LeBron already. Maybe Duncan instead of Hakeem as well. If it's prime like in this draft, then LeBron over Oscar and Shaq over Russell.
Spoiler 1. oelman44 - Michael Jordan 2. Yung-T - Hakeem 3. Voice of Aus - Magic 4. thething - Kareem 5. Horry33 - Larry Bird 6. YSL - Wilt Chamberlain 7. VBG - Lebron 8. Jamers - Shaq 9. jvu - Bill Russell 10. LCAhmed - Dr. J 11. Donatasfanboy - Tim Duncan 12. RocketsRed14 - Oscar Robertson 13. torque - Kobe 14. RedNation - Kevin Garnett 15. BigMaloe - Kevin Mchale 16. JmcBaller88 - Jerry West Round 2 1. jmcBaller88- Moses Malone 2. BigMaloe - David Robinson (goes to VBG) 3. RedNation - Clyde Drexler 4. Torque - Scottie Pippen 5. RocketsRed14 - Karl Malone 6. Donatasfanboy - Kevin Durant 7. LCAhmed - Johnny Stockton 8. jvu - Dirkus Nowitzki 9. Jamers - Reggie Miller 10. VBG - Charles Barkley 11. YSL - Elvin Hayes 12. Horry33 - Isiah Thomas 13. Thething- Dwade 14. BigMaloe (tr) - Tracy McGrady 15. Yung-T - Rick Barry 16. Oelman44 -Gary Payton Round 3 1. oelman44-Dwight Howard 2. Yung-T-Dennis Rodman 3. Voice of Aus- Dominique Wilkins 4. thething - Elgin Baylor 5. Horry33 - John Havlicek 6. YSL - Jason Kidd 7. bigmaloe (via trade)- Grant Hill 8. Jamers - Steve Nash 9. jvu - Ray Allen 10. LCAhmed - George Gervin 11. Donatasfanboy - Patrick ewing 12. Jmcballer- Chris paul 13. torque- Stephen curry 14. RedNation- Paul Pierce 15. Voice of Aus - Vince Carter 16. JmcBaller88- James Worthy Round 4 1. Voice of Aus(trade) - Dikembe Mutumbo 2. Voice of Aus (trade) - Carmelo Anthony 3. RedNation - Bill Walton 4. Torque - Alonzo Mourning 5. RocketsRed14 -artis gilmore 6. Donatasfanboy - Walt Frazier 7. LCAhed - Yao Ming 8. jvu - Allen Iverson 9. Jamers - bob petit 10. BigMaloe (trade) - Marcus Camby 11. YSL - Pistol Pete 12. Horry33 - Chris Webber 13. Thething - Bob McAdoo 14. RocketsRed14 - Bruce Bowen 15. Yung-T - Dennis Johnson 16. Oelman44 - Paul George Round 5 1. oelman44- Dave Debush 2. Yung-T- Joe Dumars 3. BigMaloe(trade)- Penny Hardaway 4. thething- Nate Archibald 5. Horry33- Sabonis 6. YSL- Chris Mullin 7.VBG- Manu Ginobili 8. Jamers- Ron Artest 9. jvu- Tony Parker 10. LCAhmed- Chris Bosh 11. Donatasfanboy- Mitch Richmond 12. RocketsRed14 - Fat Lever 13. torque -??? 14. Rednation - Marc price 15. Bigmaloe - pau gasol 16. Jmcballer88- James harden Round 6 1. Jmcballer88- Bob cousy 2. Rr14 - Jermaine O'Neal 3. Rednation- sidney moncrief 4. Torque -skipped 5. RR14 -Shawn marion 6. Donatasfanboy -Derrick Rose 7. Lcahmed -Rasheed Wallace 8. jvu - Michael Cooper 9. Jamers - Ralph Sampson 10. VBG - Kevin Johnson 11. YSL - Ben Wallace 12. Horry33 - Marc Gasol 13. thething - Adrian Dantley 14. VBG(trade) - Chauncey Billups 15. Yung-T - Shawn Kemp 16. Oelman - Amare Round 7 1. oelman44 - Tim hardaway 2. Yung-T - Eddie Jones 3. Voice of Aus - Willis Reed 4. thething - Dave Bing 5. Horry33 - Rajon Rondo 6. YSL - Shane Battier 7. VBG -Wes Unseld 8. Jamers- Bernard King 9. jvu- Robert Parish 10. LCAhmed- Mark Eaton 11. Donatasfanboy- Kevin Love 12. Voice of Aus(trade) - Alvin Robertson 13. torque- c'mon breh 14. RedNation- Bill Laimbeer 15. BigMaloe- Peja Stojakovic 16. JmcBaller88 - Alex English Round 8 1. JmcBaller88 - Bobby Jones 2. BigMaloe - Jeff Hornacek 3. RedNation - Brandon Roy 4. torque - skipped 5. RocketsRed14 - LaMarcus Aldridge 6. Donatasfanboy - Andrei Kirilenko 7. LCAhmed - Mo Cheeks 8. jvu - Glen Rice 9. Jamers - Eddy Curry 10. VBG- Dale Ellis 11. YSL - Doc Rivers 12. Horry33 - Drazen Petrovic 13. thething - Nate Thurmond 14. Voice of Aus - Dolph Schayes 15. Yung-T - Deron Williams 16. Oelman44 - Stephon Marbury
I see your point of achievements to primes. IMO Lebron is still after them. I account leadership and character into my vote. You lose a little credibility for flopping, crying, and joined the monstars super crew padding stat. You want that as your star player in an all time draft? Nah not yet. All different eras and lack of cam time in the olden days makes it harder to judge the early decades of basketball. Anyway, in categories they are the best in some way but I assume you are categorizing in order base on prime ability? I could see athletic ability, talent and skill set in your order. In terms of leadership I see Russell, Oscar, Shaq-Lebron My point is I don't like how you sum up primes like it's player A is better than player B. it makes it appear if you had a lower draft pick your team is going to lose.. That's why everyone who had a too 3-5 pick has won in previous drafts because it's been judged on a base of this player is better than that player. No account of leadership. Some account team chemistry. Maybe I'm just trippin. It's 7:30am and
I'm curious why you think others don't account for that. Do you see Derrick Coleman selected high in the draft? He should be, if people didn't account for character and leadership.
Ugh, I'm a die hard Rockets fan but I just don't like the way they play basketball or James Harden. It's such an annoying position to be in.
That comment was in reference of the order you had of Lebron > oscar > Shaq > Russell. In multiple previous drafts, the majority of our votes are determined: offense, defense, bench, chemistry. Lack of leadership discussion in terms to who is determined a winner. Derrick Coleman does not belong high in draft. He is a one-time all star who shoots below .500. Not saying he is a bad player just has not proven to anyone on this board to be chosen that high.
Hehe. It was funny in a way. It's like "I account for defense when I judge players." You don't say. All of us account for offense, defense, effort, toughness, selfishness, etc. All of that is part of being a better basketball player. It's common sense. We are drafting based on primes, by the way. Not sure if you've seen Coleman, but he was a super talent. He could do everything. Physical ability, outside game, inside game, rebounding, defense when he wanted to. His problem was the mental side and consistent effort.