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National Guard records show that George W. Bush didn't meet the commitments, or face

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Oski2005, Sep 8, 2004.

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  1. Faos

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    You mean just because they've done extensive stories on everyone who has written a book or directed a movie that makes Bush look bad?
     
    #41 Faos, Sep 10, 2004
  2. Faos

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    It was obviously James Carvile.
     
    #42 Faos, Sep 10, 2004
  3. robbie380

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    ah i understand now
     
    #43 robbie380, Sep 10, 2004
  4. moomoo

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    Went back and actually read the story.

    Oops! :p

    I was under the impression that the documents, if authentic, would be in favor of GWB, that they provided some sort of alibi for any discrepancies in GWB's service record. Obviously an erroneous assumption on my part. :eek:

    I guess it would help if I actually read the story, or actually payed more attention to the TV news playing in the background.

    Damn you, internet!


    Carry on. :D
     
    #44 moomoo, Sep 10, 2004
  5. El_Conquistador

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    Oski,

    You posted lies and with great certainty, trumpeted them as fact. Your credibility is on trial.


    DEFEND YOURSELF
     
    #45 El_Conquistador, Sep 10, 2004
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    His credibility stands. He posted a news story. The credibility of certain media outlets might be damaged, but that's it.
     
    #46 FranchiseBlade, Sep 10, 2004
  7. Oski2005

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    The documents in question are the ones 60 Minutes 2 used. These are supposed to be from the personal files of Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. The article I posted by the Boston Globe did not use those documents. In fact, they have only used the documents that the White House released. If you bothered to read the article, which clearly, you didn't, you'd know that the Globe only reexamined these previously released documents.

    Now, you are one to always demand apologies T_J, I believe, nay, I know you owe me an apology. Next time, you ought to look before you leap.
     
    #47 Oski2005, Sep 10, 2004
  8. No Worries

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    TJ, DEFEND YOURSELF or how else could you live with yourself.
     
    #48 No Worries, Sep 10, 2004
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    Apparently, he is incapable of defending himself.
     
    #49 GladiatoRowdy, Sep 10, 2004
  10. giddyup

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    In case you didn't notice, I was asking the folks here what they knew about it. I was seeking to prove or disprove it. Is there no discussion allowed? Or is this just a place for propoganda?
     
    #50 giddyup, Sep 10, 2004
  11. gifford1967

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    edit (delete and repost in correct thread)
     
    #51 gifford1967, Sep 10, 2004
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    Discussion is what we asked for, propoganda is what you put out when you mention a story that you heard that goes against logic of subsequent action and there's no proof anywhere.

    If there is some documentation or multiple credible witnesses that backs up the claim, then a discussion would be great. But rumormongoring and propoganda won't fly.
     
    #52 FranchiseBlade, Sep 10, 2004
  13. Oski2005

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    Surely, I thought you would get the point I was making. Earlier, I had accused you of getting your political beliefs from emails. You took me to task for even thinking such a thing was possible. Then you come in here and say you heard Kerry joined the Navy because he was refused a deferment to study in Paris. Instead of asking for corroboration, you treat it as the truth until proven otherwise with this beauty; "Can anybody debunk this story? " That basically means that if we can't debunk it, then it must be true. So I turned it around on you by saying that you can't debunk my story about how you get your political ideas from emails. Actually, I'm pretty sure you did get it and you didn't like that I basically called you a hypocrite, so you accuse me of stifling debate.

    Honestly, I don't think you believe half the stuff you post. The denied Paris deferment thing, or the time you said Kerry volunteered for Swift Boat duty because he thought he'd be on the coast and away from action (I believe that was you, and I pointed out that if he hadn't volunteered, he'd be on a ship and even further away from the action) are the types of things you've been posting lately. I can't believe that you find kernals of truth in any of that. I think you are a conservative and you want your guy to win at all cost, the same way I want my guy to win. As a result, everybody in here plays the same game where we deny nearly all the true faults of our candidates along with the fake ones. But when I go on the attack, I at least try to make sure there's evidence. This Boston Globe story uses the same documents the White House released. You assertion is something you "heard." I think I've been lashing out at you lately because it frustrates me that you'd base your attacks on things you know are most likey wrong and unfounded. There was a time not to long ago where, IIRC, you had considered voting for Kerry and asked to learn more about his policies if he were elected. Not many people on either side are willing to do that, myself included (unless we're talking McCain, Powell, or Guliani). You don't have to vote for Kerry, but can at least criticize him with some evidence?
     
    #53 Oski2005, Sep 10, 2004
  14. giddyup

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    oski: I took you to task on yourl criticism of my email "contributions" because your criticism was extreme; you implied that I got most of my political information from those emails. I know that the emails can be suspect. As I said they are "legendary"-- part truth and part exageration or outright lie.

    Posting them for dissection by folks on this board is actually a service and a search for accuracy, but all I get is criticized for being gullible enough to post that kind of propoganda. I never pass them on-- if that helps you. I'm sure you are surprised by that revelation. Oh well. I'll keep posting the provocative ones and hope that people catch on that it is an opportunity to set the record straight. I think we forget that there are more readers than posters.

    I didn't know that debunk was such an all-powerful word. I had just heard the story for the first time on some talk radio show. I didn't have time to research it so I threw it up here for the taking. I wish I was in college again and had stretches of time to just do nothing. Those days are long gone with self-employment and child-rearing. People post stuff on this BBS all the time looking for answers about computer problems, relationship problems, restaurant suggestions et al. I guess I just don't see political matters all that differently. I don't think I am as invested in it as some of you here; some are quite rabid.

    Which brings me around to my un-ending defense of GWB. I am by and large in his camp. I have had my disappointments for sure, but about the time I start to drift and perhaps feel any significant dis-loyalty to him, I read the criticisms of him here-- much of it spewing, venomous and irrational... and I'm back at Camp Crawford.

    I think there are better Republicans than GWB, but he is the man of the moment and nothing is going to change that-- unless it is Kerry and I just can't stomach that. Imagine my joy?
     
    #54 giddyup, Sep 11, 2004
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