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Nash: No Sport for White Men

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, May 4, 2010.

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  1. MoonDogg

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  2. glynch

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    This is a racial/ethnic issue. Give me a break.
     
  3. glynch

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    Boycott Arizona. The professional organization I belong to has had two conferencces in recent years in Phoenix that I enjoyed. No more conferences there. It a relatively liberal group of lawyers. Bye bye Arizona.
     
  4. uolj

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    "The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are based on race, color or national origin."

    They changed the definition from "lawful contact" to "lawful stop, detention or arrest". I guess the definition of lawful stop could get murky, but the point is that regular contact, like talking to a victim or witness, does not apply.


    Source for both: Governor signs several changes to Arizona immigration law
     
  5. Joshfast

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    Which professional organization?
     
  6. CometsWin

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    That doesn't appear in any official version of ghe bill Ive seen so if you could post one that includes that section that'd be great. Furthermore, that above section regarding the attorney general is worthless since it's the Feds that handle immigration violations. It doesn't say police won't investigate based on race.
     
  7. uolj

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    I'm just taking it directly from the article I linked. I haven't found the latest bill with the amendments changes in it. If I see it I'll let you know, and please post it here if you find it first.

    I've seen different versions of the original bill, too. One that had that section (with an extra "solely" in there) and a PDF with big blue font that didn't. I never took the time to resolve the discrepancy, though.
    I thought the point of this was to make it a state crime in addition to a federal one, so it's hardly worthless.

    If you're arguing that the state (or local) law enforcement will detain people based on race knowing that the state charge will be dropped but the federal one will still stick, then that's an interesting thought. I'm not exactly sure how that plays out, but I'm not sure there's much they can do about it. And the point of the text is so that if police investigate based on race, then the charge won't stick.
     
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    If someone can show me a single white man of northern European origin who is picked up and given to ICE for deportation to Mexico because he can't produce his papers on demand, I'll give some thought to believing that the clauses about national origin and race are possibly more than just lip service.
     
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    A lawyer organization I would rather not name.
     
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    ACLU?
     
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    That is a brown skinned alien. :p
     
  12. AXG

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    Me neither, and I'm Latino! I mean what are coming to when we can't even enforce our laws against illegal immigration? Are we just supposed to allow amnesty? So why bother coming to America legally when you can just cross the border any time you want and have citizens of another country cater to you? It's not like every other country has immigration standards. :mad:
     
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    What if Nash has Mexican drug cartel members trespassing on his property, where his children sleep? He really is clueless as to what goes on down here in places like Tucson.

    Just last week there was a helicopter flying low down my street with a spotlight. I live less than 50 miles from the border. Sat there with a baseball bat until it passed.

    My coworkers who live in more isolated areas have drug mules moving through their property.

    Meanwhile, the feds do nothing. What is AZ supposed to do?
     
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    AZ had a right to act. But many people think the law, as crafted, threatens the civil liberties of all Hispanics, not just illegals.

    So, is it your opinion that their civil liberties are no more threatened than your own, or that their civil liberties just aren't that important?
     
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    That happens to me at least once a week and has absolutely nothing to to with Mexican drug cartels. The fact that you are terrified, doesn't mean that you have a legitimate reason to be terrified.
     
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    What civil liberties are threatened? All the law says is that being here illegally is a crime, just like federal law. And being here legally without green card or equivalent is a misdemeanor, just like it is federally.

    I could solve the immigration issue easily.

    1. Legalize all drugs

    2. Contract immigration processing to Visa or some such company. They would be able to process people legally in weeks, not months or years. Getting in would be np.

    3. Build a big wall, they work, it's why people have fences.

    You reduce the incentive to come here illegally, make it easy to come here legally. Simple.

    There is no bigger proponent of liberties than me on this board.
     
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    too ugly
     
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    The fear isn't that illegals will be prosecuted for being illegal but rather that police will stop anyone that looks illegal, whatever that means to whatever cop is on duty that day, to verify their status. Preventing the state AG from prosecuting illegals who are stopped based on the color of their skin doesn't prevent a cop from unnecessary harassment of actual citizens. Plus, we're talking about cops here. They can make up any reason under the sun to stop anyone for any reason. Giving them the legal carte blanche to do so is very dangerous.
     
  19. uolj

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    Yeah, but what incentive does an officer have to stop somebody based on race only? If they are illegal, then they can't be prosecuted, and if they're legal then they're only getting bothered. If the police officer is just trying to harass people, he can do that now regardless of this law.
     
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    Good thing this law does nothing of the sort. Cops can't stop anyone for any reason they couldn't before.
     

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