Nash is better then S Fancy, or Cutturnover Mobley

Uncommon basketball analysis! I really enjoyed reading these posts. My comment is simply that this is the most frustrating team to watch in my entire career of playing and watching basketball. At times it is like they are not playing basketball, but some playground game they have created. So many fundamentals are missing. If you watch other games (even college games) you immediately notice the HUGE DIFFERENCE NOT IN THE TALENT LEVEL BUT IN EXECUTION OF FUNDAMENTALS LIKE BALL MOVEMENT, PLAYER MOVEMENT, DEFENSE......IT IS SO MUCH MORE FUN TO WATCH A SMARTLY PLAYED BASKETBALL GAME. This team is utterly exasperating! They consistently defeat themselves. I don't know if I have ever seen so much talent accomplish so little. I will be a Rockets fan as long as I live, but it is really hard to be a fan of this particular team.

 

Kind of like this year right?

 

That would go down as one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history. Almost as lopsided as Tractor Traylor for Dirk Nowitzki. Moochie wouldn't even be the backup PG on Dallas' team. Moochie couldn't even hold Nash's jock.

 

Like every year. What's your point? Prototypical players like Steve Nash don't win championships. Special players do. If Dallas ever wins a championship (unlikely), it will not be because of Steve Nash, it will be because of Nowitzki.

 

I think you can be a prototype AND a special player AND a champion...case in point: Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars

 

I wouldn't say Isiah was prototypical. He could score with anybody, something a prototypical point guard isn't supposed to be able to do. Also Dumars was a little undersized for the prototypical SG. Regardless, what you said is true, you CAN be those things, but I see that team as an exception.

 

My point is that even special players don't do it by themselves. Someone else has to be there to take some of the pressure off of that special player. Bird had McHale, Jordan had Pippen, Thomas had Dumars, and Shaq has Kobe. If that special player thinks he can do it all by himself, and doesn't learn how to set his (less talented) teammates up your team will not succeed. Players don't win championships, teams do. Your prototypical player also has learn how to set up the special player so that he will have the best opportunity to succeed. That's what Nash, Nowitzki, and Finley are learning how to do. That's also what seems to be whats keeping the Rockets from succeeding. They have to learn how set each other up for the best possible shot. Francis, and Mobley have to learn that they don't have to take all of the shots. Thay are allowed to pass to Cato if he's open. They just have to trust that their teammates will hit the open shots or at least take good shots.

Don't get me wrong, by no means am I saying that Francis and/or Mobley are scrubs they just need to learn how to play the game. Some people are able to pick up on this a lot faster than others. For instance Dirk is only 23, and is already starting to pick up on this. Like someone pointed out earlier it's taken Nash 6 years to figure this out. You just have to give Francis, and Mobley time and hope they are able to figure out that just because you can cross someone over or just because you can dunk on them doesn't mean you are going to be successful in the NBA. Hell there are people at the playgrounds in my neighborhood that I bet could dunk on anybody but they don't know how to get all of their teammates involved in the game so they will always be on the playground instead of an areana.

 

I agreed with you 100% DaD.

Now I agree with you 110% after tonight.

It's interesting how Stevie ALWAYS gets lit up by the opposing PG.

Play some freaking defense!

 

"Nash is the kind of point guard that can dribble, dribble, dribble. They let him keep it and see if he can make a play," Rockets guard Cuttino Mobley said.

Luckily, we have one in Mooch ...

 

Though Last night Mooch didn't just dribble, he passed and passed, and made 3 point shots at the end of the game.

 

Consider ????

The guy is an all star one of the best 3 pg in the league i wish we could sign him somehow but there is no chance that dallas would let him go .

 

I still completely disagree but this argument has been gone through so ad naseum it is sad. The Rockets probably need to focus on better defense night-in and night-out but all anyone can ever concentrate on is how bad our 30/8/7 guy is???

Switch Francis and Nash - the Mavs are even better, the Rockets are probably worse.

 

Actually, I think he gets into shootouts with them. He more than holds his own with most PGs, and he actually dominated Kidd a week ago.

 

Am I wrong, but didn't they aquire Nash as well in that trade?

 

Does anyone want to argue what? That a 6-year guy is smarter than a 3-year guy? I guess you win that argument DD, good job.

 

I'm not going to go on a Francis vs. Nash thing, but all I know is that Wink has been killing me in Fantasy this year with his turnovers. Also, Nash is destroying everyone with his shooting and assists. I'd so hope Wink can improve his assist to turnover ratio.

 

Yes, you are wrong. The Mavs got Dirk (#9 overall) in a trade with the Bucks for Traylor (#6 overall), and Pat Garrity. Pat Garrity was then traded along with the Mavs #1 pick the following year for Steve Nash. They came to the Mavs the same year but in seperate trades. Finley came to Dallas the year before.