Nash is better then S Fancy, or Cutturnover Mobley

ok what does the fact that he is white have to do with it?

The best pure point in the league isn't white.. hell he isn't even a shooter (Jason Kidd)

The best scoring point in the league is Nash thought. Mardummy was expected as Kidd has showen. Payton is still awesome, but it's time he gives it up....

Pure Point: Kidd is the best
Scoring Point: Nash is the best
All-Around Point: Francis is the best
Well-Known Point: Payton is the best

 

I dont think so. Nash helps the whole team bet better. Without Nash they are not a title contender.

 

I totally disagree.

Francis is the best scoring point. He's just been in and out of the line-up this season too much.


He's probably tied with Kidd for All-Round point.

Passing is Kidd.

Well Known is Payton and Francis tied for 1st.(Check out this year's All-Star ballots)



Personally, I think Francis is one summer away from being the best PG in the league. If he works on his passing a bit, and his defense a bit, he's easily the best.



Don't get me wrong though, Nash is pretty damn good. But Francis is a much bigger scorer. Only recently (last 20 games) has Nash become a really big scorer.



We can't fault anyone on our team this year. When you have 12 different starting line-ups in 40 games, then you're bound to have more turnovers.

 

I may have read it wrong but I think he was just saying he thinks they are very similar with one of the few differences being Nash is white. I don't think that implied anything. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Steve Nash is someone who could make the Rockets better.

His passing will make use of the Rockets roster, full of small forwards and Eddie Griffin.

I wish they could swing a trade for Nash, Norris probably?

 

For all of you Steve Francis haters, keep in mind that he did not cover Nash the whole game. We lost to Dallas cuz they are the better team. That's a fact.

 

btw, about Jason Kidd. He went 1 for 17 last night. If Stevie or Cuttino did that, you guys would crucify them.

BTW, If we wanted to beat Dallas, we should have fed Cat the ball every other play. Steve should have sat the game out because of his stoopit migraines.

 

Where were you when Steve scored 36 and 33 against Nash. And as for you dissing Cuttino, he was on fire tonight. He's a two guard, his job is to score. He didnt' lose us this game. We flat out are not as deep as Dallas.

As for Steve stinking up the joint, there aren't many PG's with #'s like him. If I were you , I would root for the Lakers. They're gonna win it all and you won't be disappointed by them.

 

I guess its up to me to put out the fire. System,System,System!!!!
This is what I've been saying all along. Its not the players , its not just the chances and opportunities, its the system that's in place that restricts our team. I'm glad rox fans get to see what anyone with a league pass gets to see though.

I'm not going to go as far as to say Nash is better, but its good to see some people see how slim Francis lead over some of the other pg's are. As long as I've been watching pro ball, since 1977, this is probably the deepest crop og pg's since the early-mid 80's. I mean i saw KJ avg 10 20pts and 10 dimes and not make the all star game. Francis is and does have a better upside than Nash, but if he were playing for a coach that really used his ability like Nelson, Karl or someone like that, he would be double -double easy. Its not like he doesn't have it in him, but just watch the Mavs and see how after even made baskets they run. Its true that without Nash they would still have a good record, but thats because systems designed for teams and not players function better. Jackson ran the triangle in Chicago and now he's running it in LA. Nelson is running the same team oriented basketball he ran in GS that he's running now. Karl has also changed zip codes, but his teams continue to be one of the highest scoring in the league. Solely building an entire offense around 2 players that are not dominant at their positions will lead to meltdowns in the long haul. Maybe by all star break when the brass realize we're out of it, then they'll start to design a team game instead of one based on a couple of players.

 

Are you serious???????????

Steve is the second guard in the nba, only bryant is better. i don't think it is possible that you are cying about a off night of francis. without him we had a record with just 5 wins. the rockets are pathetic without Francis, we have a bright futere with Eddie Griffin and Francis running the show. Nash is a good point guard but not even close te Francis, Give the rockets a player like Nowitzki and they wil beat the Mavericks. and most other players.
Don't go and rash Steve, he and Eddie griffin are the future

 

It doesn't have anything to do with it, which was the point I was trying to make. At times, that's about the only difference I can see between Nash and the Rockets guards. I could've just as easily said that Nash looks like a girl, and the Rockets guard do not.

 

Steve has been out too much, and this migraine problem has to affect the way he plays.

 

Now, I feel your pain about the recent Rocks' guard play. Honestly, they are costing the team wins, not the frontcourt.

But Nash being better than Francis?

WHOA, horsey!!

Frag put it best, Francis has more talent, but Nash works harder and plays with more composure and craftiness. BTW, who did Nash play with his first year, year and a half? That's right, Jason Kidd! Think it's a coincidence that Nash plays the game with similar awareness and energy.

I'm just as disappointed and frustrated as the rest of you, but its far too early to give up on Steve and Cat. Hopefully the 'light bulb' will come on and they will start playing winning basketball.

 

I'm am so tired of people saying that guys aren't about winning and that they're about SPORTSCENTER. Thats the opinion of a shallow, narrow-minded sportsfraud that would rather see HIS name posted in a way that get's HIM the most attention.

Hey DaDakota...when was the last time YOU were on TV?

 

This statement is boneheaded, especially following last night's game. Why? To even make a comparison of Nash versus Francis is nearly impossible.

Did you recognize that the Mavericks had played everybody on their bench in the first quarter, with the exception of Bradley, and Nash even had to come bakc in after a good rest with 1:30 left in the first. That's how deep they are. The Rockets, on the other hand, are forced to go with an 8 man rotation that includes a player who hasnt played at all recently (Willis) and a 2-guard who is playing horribly (Torres).

Second, the Mavs offense, while having no true post-up threat, does have many many more options than ours. I actually think Rudy is running a successful system, but only once we get all the pieces in place, as the Mavs do with their 10 deep rotation. Just think about it. Nowitzski's game is amazingly similar to Griffin's, yet he already has a driving game and a much better post-up game. Juwan Howard has a decent shot, can post-up when necessary and hustles on the court. I'm sure when Eddie has had time to develop, and when we get a decently athletic center who dunks successfully the majority of the time (and I actually think Cato has been trying, but despite that, he just isnt good enough), you will be shocked at how easy Steve makes the game look.

Third, the Rocket's guard defense is pretty bad. But they do each have their bright spots. Too often last night, either Francis or Mobley wwere switched up on Nowitzki in the post, but I think they did a very decent job on those plays considering his considered height advantage. Heck, on the last Nash 3 pointer, it was a switch, and if anyone was to blame, it should be Eddie for not covering Nash soon enough.

While I'm on defense, it's plainly obvious that the Rocket's offense controls their defense (whereas I think it should be more balanced or perhaps theother way around). When the Rockets score a lot of points, and their offense is flowing well, so does the other team. When the Rockets scoring sucks, and they resort to using the whoile 24 second clock on every possesion, the other team scores less. The only problem is, in each scenario the other team outscores us and we lose. Of course, we can't count on our defense to lead us as of yet because it isnt good enough.

The main problem from a purely defensive standpoint that I see is poor rotation. I think this is both habitual and trust related. Until this year and the emergence of Eddie, the Rockets guards had to constantly sink inside a lot to try and defend easy lay-ups. I dont htink this is as necessary anymore with Eddie. Him and Cato need to man the interior defense themselves. As is, even with everyone collapsing, the otehr team scores frequently or is fouled. If Francis/Mobley learn to trust their interior defenders more, I dont think it will get any worse. This will allow help in a lot of areas. It should allow some better guard rotation. Any team that plays us is currently able to score at will by simply moving the ball well. By simply being a step further out of the interior, the rotation should greatly improve and our guards can play the passing lanes better. It will also allow for better fast breaks and easier scoring opportunities. We will get the long rebound more often and can start running or the outlet pass can move further up the court.

Anyway, I think this team has a lot of potential, even with the current system in place, to be a very good team next year. It will take, though, concentrating 65% on defense over the summer/training camp, having a few key players work on certain parts of their offensive games (Griffin specifically), and having a relatively healthy team all year. Add in a possible good draft pick or trade (hopefully a decent center), and I think you will see a much improved team, and it will make Francis and Mobley look like genius' on the court. I, at least, am willing to give it one more year of trying.

 

Now I know you are not seriously suggesting that the MAVS trade Nash for Moochie. Moochie is a good player to bring off the bench but there is no way in hell he is worth giving up Nash for.

 

Nash > Steve as a PG
Steve > Nash as a SG

 

I guess no one wants to point out that Nash is in his sixth year in the NBA. If you want to compare him to Mobley and Francis, look at his 3rd and 4th years in the league -- 8 points a game, 5 assists a game. In his 3rd year, he shot 36 percent from the field. Immediately after he signed a huge deal with the Mavs, he completely sucked. Don't think most people in Dallas didn't want to get rid of the guy. He was flat-out terrible.