Yeah they are both part of the establishment. I don't think the establishment will let Obama win. Obama is no Kennedy as far as pedigree is concerned.
(1) People's interest at heart? We can differ in that opinion. I believe he severely hurt the people of the US, and he lied to them in proclaiming that Gore=Bush. I think everyone from me to Rush Limbaugh would agree that they would be very different in the last eight years. I believe it is, at least subconsciously, primarily an issue of ego to run an obviously-doomed, one-issue-platform campaign. (2) I know roughly 20 Nader voters in San Francisco. Most of these people are dear friends. 12 of them now say they really wish they had voted for Gore, and they really believe he should have removed himself from Florida. If 20% of Nader voters in Florida had voted for Gore, we would have a different history. Similarly, I know dozens of Matt Gonzalez voters (mayor's race) who now see him as a complete self-centered fraud. Where did he go? Oh yeah, he quit his post once he lost the race. Went back to his ganja. I do not lay the blame for the last 8 years on Nader. No. But I do believe he is counterproductive. And I do not see him doing *anything* between presidential campaigns for this nation; I keep asking for updates on his activities, searching to find what he's up to, but I find nothing. I do know he owned copious stock in defense contractors in 2000, and that no single entity benefited from GWB presidency like the defense industry. Oh, also, the Corvair rocked. PS -- thanks for the roll eyes. I respect your take, think idealism is important, and mean you no offense.
B-Bob- I apologize for the roll eyes. Some people on the boards don't pick up on sarcasm otherwise and it wasn't really targeted at you. Anyway, back to the point at hand. I'll concede that Nader being on the ballot in Florida may have made a difference, but I still feel that Nader voters for the most part wouldn't have voted for Gore without knowing the eventual conclusion of the election. You've really got to look at the long term impact of your decisions as a voter. Of course, Gore would have been better in the short term. However, if you think the 2 party system is ineffective, which I think most will agree with, how do you make it go away if you continue to vote for the most tolerable candidate from one of these parties each time? You're just perpetuating a flawed system. If you feel Nader is the best candidate, vote for him. Also, the Corvair, among others, was a very dangerous car. I guess you would be happy in a world where there are no seatbelts or air bags and 85% of serious auto accidents are fatal.
I'm not going to go into a diatribe about how patently stupid this post is. It's just not worth it. How is there no chance of being right? You know that 9/11 would have happened with Gore in office? Not a chance in hell that you 100% know this. No one knows what might have happened if things went the other way.
Thanks for the post. Good point about voting in the moment. I totally agree with you on air bags and seatbelts, and I think those are Ralph's crowning contribution. But the Corvair... there is still some debate as to its dangers versus other cars.
Some links to help you remember the thorough debunking... Snopes article about the justice meted out on perpetrators of terrorism under Clinton... Factcheck.org article about how the Sudanese government never offered up OBL... Keep trying, rookie.
