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Nachbar: Sell high

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SamFisher, Apr 13, 2004.

  1. lalala902102001

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    Honestly, I think that Nachbar's trade value can be higher if he actually plays some next season.
     
  2. gucci888

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    Boki atleast plays good D and is actually a decent rebounder. His shooting is all about confindence right now, him and Yao seem to have the inside-out thing going on, its just all about him hitting the shots.
     
  3. Rockets2K

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    Tonaay...dont know if you are being serious or not...so Ill pretend that you are.

    quite to the contrary...too many times when he plays, instead of looking to drive or shoot..he just moves the ball along....especially when he is open to take it...Doesnt he realize the way to get comfortable out there taking his shot is to at least try from time to time.

    and as he gets more time on court...he does seem to get more comfortable...at this rate...maybe by AS break next year..he might actually show that he can shoot like we hear about in practice.
     
  4. Kayman

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    Are you guys joking? I am not sure the Rockets are even going to pick up his option for year 4, they have until end of October to decide. Vlado Radmanov is ten times the player Nachbar is and the Sonics are not sure they want to keep him, and you are talking about keeping Nachbar.

    This team is in serious sh&& with regard to the SF spot. Jim Jackson was a true savior this year, but he is 34 year old. The guys behind him are just pathetic. It will take a lot more than few clutch plays in a meaningless game to convince people that Nachbar can play any minutes in the NBA. Remember, he thoroughly sucked in the first half.

    Just think about what the Rockets did over the past two years:
    1. In the summer of 2002 Sonics offer a sign&trade for Rashard Lewis that must involve Eddie Griffin and Rockets say NO
    2. Then they draft Snackbar instead of Tayshawn Prince, even thoght Prince had a great college career, while Nachbar only had a half semi-good season in Italy.
    3. Then in the summer of 2003 Rockets play it cheap with Posey and pass on his mid-level contract offer, Posey becomes the best player on a surging Grizzlies team
    4. Rockets sign a perenial scrub, who has seen significant minutes only because he's played on the worst team in NBA history, thus proving that they haven't learnt anything from the Mo Taylor contract debacle.

    Reverse anyone of these decisions and we would have either Rashard, Posey or T.Prince and be set for the next ten years...

    As for Padget, he did make some shots, which is a lot more than can be said about Cato's offensive production, but he thoroughly sucked on defense, the guy is completely clueless.
     
  5. AGBee

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    I think Pau would disagree.
     
  6. ron413

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    Who is Vlado Radmanov?

    But seriously. Not that I would not mind having Rashard on this squad, but he makes like 8 to 10,000,000 Million a year or something like that.

    Boki held his own last night against Shard Lewis, and the team as a whole made me proud and excited about our squad more than any other recent games.

    PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
    JIM JACKSON G 47 7-13 5-8 3-5 0 6 6 0 4 1 3 0 22
    MARK JACKSON G 39 4-8 3-7 14-17 0 5 5 9 2 1 3 0 25
    BOSTJAN NACHBAR F 41 4-8 3-4 0-2 0 5 5 3 5 3 2 0 11

    PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
    RAY ALLEN G 41 6-13 2-4 7-8 0 5 5 3 3 0 3 0 21
    LUKE RIDNOUR G 5 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 4 0 1 0 0
    RASHARD LEWIS F 39 4-14 1-5 2-2 2 4 6 3 5 2 3 2 11
     
  7. Sishir Chang

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    This just shows the great diversity of the Clutch BBS considering we had another poster writing about going from his NY luxury apartment to go work on following up the most successful animated films of all times.

    As for me I worked on following up the least successful animated films of all time and so now end up wiping car windows for spare change. ;)
     
  8. CriscoKidd

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    Snackbar would be nice to keep around at least as good developmental IR fodder. The contract ain't all that bad either. I wouldn't cry if he was a throw in to a good trade in the offseason though.
     
  9. armada

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    Boki is likely to be another Richard Jefferson. His capacity matches his contract, meanwhile he blends better with Yao than Cat does. If we gotta give up either of them for a trade, I'd send Cat. Of couse want more in return.
     
  10. fa7999

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    Well, you probably can make an argument about posey being the best Grizzles player NOT on IR list.
     
  11. RikQuik

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    Boki gets protected...his contract is too good right now....I doubt that MoT will be though...with his cap numbers, and the fact the new team is only allowed 2/3 cap this year, they can't really afford to tie up that much money in a PF that has no D. Cato, however would be a good center fo what his contract is, so he should also be protected.

    Yuo protect 2 things: your franchise players, and the ones with cheap contracts for their position/role. Boki falls into the latter........
     
  12. Kayman

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    That's total nonsense. Cheap contract in my view is one that pays less than the open market. Just look at the market for SFs last year: Jim Jackson got $2.2M. same for Jon Barry, and Stephen Jackson actually had to settle for $1.1M. How do you compare those contracts of proven contributors to Nacbar's $1.5M?

    Even though Bostjan is on a rookie contract, he is very expensive. The reason is that he was drafted too high and the rookie scale is working in his favor. If he was drafted in the second round where he belonged, he would be getting paid a lot less.

    There is no reason to protect Nachbar, it's very unlikely that Bobcats pick him up, and even if they did, so what? I think, though, that the Rockets may protect him, simply because they don't have enough players anyway. Padget, MJ and Wilks are free agents, Pisskowski should be left unprotected, as no expansion team would touch him with a ten-foot pole. That leaves Nachbar and Ad.Griffin on the bubble. Both are equally inconsequential.

    The more interesting question in my view is whether Rockets pick Nachbar's option. It's quite expensive at $2.3M and he really doesn't have time to prove himself between now and October 31st. He likely won't see any PT in the playoffs and even if he is a true shining star in the summer leagues would that guarantee a $2.3M salary? Les and CD are on the spot this summer. If we don't get any significant upgrade at the two forward spots I am going to puke.
     
  13. Willis25

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    FREE BOKI !
     
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    I agree those are exactly the players I would protect.
     
  15. RocketForever

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    Wait until we win the next championship when the value of our players will be alltime high, then we trade the whole team.
     
  16. Will

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    Sorry, I didn't mean to turn contrarianism into a gimmick. :D
    On Nachbar, I'll just point out one thing. I see some debate here about whether his game fits with Yao's. Don't forget that Nachbar is the only guy on our roster who was drafted since we picked Yao. They were a planned package. We wouldn't have picked him if his game didn't fit the guy we'd taken at #1.

    Boki may have been a disappointment in many respects. He has certainly disappointed me. But I do think he fits.
     
  17. SamFisher

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    I caught this statline earlier in the thread:

    LUKE RIDNOUR G 5 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 4 0 1 0 0


    To clarify, that's 5 minutes, 4 fouls :eek:, 1 turnover, and 0's for everything else. Wait, actually he had 1 set of ankles broken.....by 39 year old Galapagos Tortoise Mark Jackson :eek: !!!

    I think I remember somebody recommending we trade Francis for him straight up last year too. :rolleyes:
     
  18. sonique15

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    no way the rockets leave him unprotected......
     
  19. Kayman

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    Yep, although lately it's Kirk Hinrich who has blossomed into the latest fascination of this bbs with white scrubs...
     
  20. Kayman

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    You are right, except that he was picked based on the delusion that he can shoot the ball. We all know that turned out to be not the case. At best his game right now is that of an overpaid and overhyped Jouaquim Hawkins, he does hustle in fact. The player that the Rockets THOUGHT they were getting does not exist...
     

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