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Nachbar: Do we have a gamer on our hands?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Doctor Robert, Nov 2, 2004.

  1. gucci888

    gucci888 Member

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    True. But I want JVG to start adjusting his offense when needed. He needs to loosen the reigns and let this team play more uptempo.

    We are taking WWAAYY too long to set up our offense. We need to set things up faster and try to get easy buckets, JVG allows the D to fully set up on us before we do.
     
  2. rocket3forlife2

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    if he keep playing like that,iam gonna have o take away all the bad stuff i said about him in the preseason.

    I think if he keep knocking down his shot ,we might have to go with a big line up .that would solve our point guard problam for right now.
     
  3. stevel

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    For what it is worth, a good friend of mine has a buddy that plays professionally in Europe. In the off season he trains with John Lucas, as a number of NBA players do, and they play a one on one game where you can only take 3 dribbles then you have to shoot. Appearently Nachbar is awesome at this game and kills eveyone out there. I guess he really can shoot.
     
  4. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    I think with Nachbar it is all about confidence in the game. He probably can hit those shots in practice but seems to have problems in the game. Tonight he looked great and hopefully his confidence will rise. Him hitting those 3ptrs is just HUGE. He does that and he will see a lot of playing time. He needs to be an energy guy off the bench, hit the 3ptr and scrap and get rebounds and defend.

    He got off to a great start. Hopefully he will keep it up. I think it is clear initially that the first guy to come in for the 2/3 will be Nachbar. If he can keep up his play he can keep his playing time when Sura comes back.
     
  5. New Jack

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    We’ve seen him play like he did last night before. What I’m waiting to see is how Boki responds the next time he misses his first couple of shots.
     
  6. Gutter Snipe

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    You could feel the love for Boki in our living room last night. My wife likes him because he's cute - and him making the 3s didn't hurt! :D

    I honestly think that the reason he was first off of the bench is because he earned it in practice - giving me hope that his play is not a fluke. Ditto for his play in the playoffs last year. If he plays well for the next few months, he should keep his spot and Sura will shore up our PG play.

    If we ever get Sura, TMac, and Boki on the floor we'll have a team that can run AND finish on the break.
     
  7. kaleidosky

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    Personally, I don't think we have a huge hole at point. Sura would be great to have back to back up the 1 2 and 3..

    that being said, I thought Ward was solid. He calmed the team down and looked like he'll do well. Yeah he made 2 or 3 mistakes, but they weren't characteristic of him, and I don't think that'll be the norm.

    Lue looked terrible and out of sync yesterday. Played decent defense and hit a couple of shots..but overall not at all what I had hoped for from him off the bench. I expect a game-changer and a pacemaker ala Boykins.

    But if Lue can get back to what he's done in the past off the bench, we should be okay..
     
  8. pchan

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    What's the big deal??

    It's just typical Boki.

    Hustle, not back down from anyone... solid D.. knock down his J... slash and slam.

    And then get interviewed .

    Just typical Boki.
     
  9. bigben69

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    Boki did everything he needed to in the game....hit his shots......drew the charge......and played pretty good defense......he needed the ball more in the second half....If I remember correctly he got the ball one time and he had to force up a bad shot I dont see why Van Gundy would take him out when he was the only consistant thing we had going.
     
  10. Hottoddie

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    While it's only one game, what scares me is, he's in a contract year. Is he playing for a new contract & planning on going back into hibernation after he gets it? How many times have we given out big contracts because a player had a promising run, only to have them disappear again or under perform? Let's see, Cato, Taylor, Moochie, Maloney, Rice, Shandon,....etc., etc.

    Maybe, this time it'll be different.:(
     
  11. Samar

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    Well theres nothing you can do about that. Just make it as short term as possible. Plus thats what trades are all about. Players not contributing on your team, you get rid of them for someone who is. Maloney is just one of those cut your losses cases.
     
  12. Hottoddie

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    The problem is that any good agent is going to push for a long term contract. Once the contract is signed, the salary is on the books, no matter what the player does afterwards. As for trading him away, what team is going to want an overpaid, under achieving player? At the minimum, you'd have to give up something of value to get the other team to bite.

    The team's only defense is to put a team option in the contract, but to get that, they'll most likely have to give the player some other consession.

    In this scenario, the ideal move for the Rockets would be to offer him a 1 year deal to see if he can do it again (assuming he has a solid year). Unfortunately, if he has a solid year, some other team will step up & offer a lucrative long term deal.

    I realize that Boki hasn't gotten a lot of playing time, but there are countless examples of players in all sports stepping up their games during a contract year, only to disappear once again, after they sign on the dotted line. Maybe, Boki will be different.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    Boki couldn't step up when he was playing for his contract in the preseason. What makes you think he would during the regular season? The contract-year phenomenon occurs with players long on talent and short on drive. Nachbar isn't one of those guys. He's always hustling.

    And, a lot of the guys you listed don't really fall into that contract-year phenomenon either. Cato did have a great preseason before signing his extension, but I think the Rox intended to do it anyway. Besides, his play eventually made his contract worthwhile. Taylor and Anderson got their contracts on wink-wink deals where they were paid little to come in and were compensated later. And with Anderson, he only got the contract because it was a sign-and-trade to a very stupid Knicks team. We didn't sign Rice to a contract at all; though we hoped we could rehab his faltering career (like Deke and Ward now). Maloney got his deal because he was a great complementary piece in the inside-out game with Barkey and Dream. It was ill-luck that that system fell apart soon after Maloney signed his deal. No one was really wowed by his contract-year; he was a role-player that played his role well -- pass into the post and hit 3s. And Moochie -- well Mooche was a contract-year phenomenon.
     
  14. kaleidosky

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    Just to add a little to the previous post, Mooch was the only one of those that's a valid contract-year thing. Except he didn't even get THAT big a deal. It was more than we wanted to give (we being clutch board), but hey...compared to what other people are making, it was decent.

    And on Maloney...he was an incredible shooter (and relatively clutch) from the moved-in 3 pt line. When they moved it back out, he was a mediocre shooter and a terrible player. He could've at least been serviceable as a 2nd or 3rd string point with a decent handle and great shooting.if they never moved the line back out. (that being said, I'm glad they moved it back out)
     
  15. pradaxpimp

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    He needs greazzzzy hair and a hot ass wife that once posed naked, lost her tiara, and will divorce him?

    Seriously, if he had a wife that was as fine as vanessa williams, he's got a permanent injured reserved spot.
     
  16. Hottoddie

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    JV,

    While it could be interpreted that I was indicating all those players were signed during a contract year, that's not what I said, or meant. I said that they had a promising run, which led to them getting big contracts, or at least bigger than they should've been. Sorry for the confusion.

    Cato: While the team may have planned on giving him a new contract, I find it hard to believe that they would've given a 3rd year player that hadn't done anything but show potential, a 6 year $43 million contract, without the performance he gave during the preseason. In other words, his promising run. It wasn't until his 3rd year, after signing the new contract, that he finally showed, for a whole season, what the Rockets thought they were buying originally.

    Taylor: Taylor was signed on a wink wink deal (sort of) because we didn't have any more money to sign him with & all of his other offers were filled with other players. It's my opinion that Taylor was signed because of his growing skills & he appeared to be on his way to stardom. His last year with the Clippers, he averaged 17.1 ppg & 6.5 rpg. His rebounding stats had increased each of his 1st 3 years. Unfortunately, he hasn't hit those levels since then. Maybe this'll be the year he earns the contract.

    Shandon: Shandon showed a lot of promise with Utah & was signed under a similar scenario to Taylor. While he turned out to be a solid defensive player, he never lived up to the potential that he'd shown at Utah. I believe that he was signed to a 3 year deal for the mid-level exception, with an opt' out after the 2nd year.

    Rice: While it's true that we didn't sign Rice, we wanted to keep our word to Shandon so bad that we did a S&T for an over the hill Rice that only played in 82 games in 2 years. In essence, by S&T'ing Shandon, we signed Rice. Another big contract with no real return.

    Maloney: I agree. Maloney was a solid role player, but it still doesn't change the fact that we signed him to a nice contract, & before you knew it, he was gone & we were left paying his salary for several years afterwards. By the way, is that contract off the books yet?

    Moochie: We both agree on Moochie. It's a shame too, because he really showed the potential of being a good PG. Too bad he got caught up in the Francis/Mobley dribblethon.

    By the way, did you know that his 1st name is Martyn?

    Martyn Norris just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?:D
     

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